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[ieltsteacher102]

dont no how to edit but we sholud remeber the op fried got the job
i would also like to thank everyone for there constructive comments and i hope that every one nos what is required to work in vietnam

thank you

life is good

[mushroom_season]

I dont know why you would consider me to be such a deadbeat when I am not the one suggesting to the OP to break the law. I have a work permit with the 5 year Visa exemption due to marriage with kid. Been here 7 years as a matter of a fact. The OP has made it clear that he is probably here to make something for himself here. Why else would he get the 5 year visa exemption. The OP should have what it takes to keep his nose clean and he will be fine. Ieltsteacher's only worry is who has to clean up the hotel room stink after he rots. 5 year visa exemption does not allow you to work here. For that you need a work permit. 5 years is a long time perhaps even longer when you consider renewing it. You can build up a lot of assets in that time here as a married couple. Easy to lose them through deportation if they catch you at the workplace without a work permit. 5 years is also a matter of more chances of getting caught if you dont have your shit in order. Sure you can get jobs in the black market or under the table but if you can have something legitimate why bother with that shit.

[mushroom_season]

The point is not whether or not you can get a job or not. Of course you can. If you are white with a pulse, they (the employers) dont even care if you can speak English you can be a teacher here. The point is if you have the opportunity to make yourself legitimate do so. It will save you a lot of worry when the police eventually knock on the door at 3 am. You will be in a better position to say just let me sleep than if you didnt have a work permit. The good thing about the 5 year visa exemption is that it gives you the time to make yourself legitimate if you are not already so. Which means you can catch up on studies etc even work quietly on the side. Its worth it.

[ExpatLuke]

Mushroom, i wasn't referring to you when i said someone was a deadbeat. I think there's only one person who can't formulate a proper sentence to save his life and makes multiple references to drugs and alcohol.

[mushroom_season]

Sorry I was loosing my cool at Ieltsteacher. Ended up not shooting straight. Thanks Luke.

[ieltsteacher102]

we know youre confused so thank you for admitting that youre not thinking straight deportations and visits at 3 am etc etc
regarding mr luke has already admiited on another thread that hes working without a work permit its ok too welcome to teaching in vietnam dont worry the police dont read this and dont know who you are you will be ok so both of you can now start to think clearly and logically and have a good nights sleep i wish the best to both of you

the visa is king and life is good

[mushroom_season]

I am not going to waste time with you anymore. The OP has what he needs. You, don't even know what you are talking about. Yes this place can be paradise but it can be hell too. You decide.

[ExpatLuke]

[Okie from Muskogee]

Just to clear the muddy water. My friend in question married to a very nice vietnamese woman is sort of semi-retired. They been going in and out of vietnam and finally decided to settle down in vietnam. They recently spent several hundred thousand dollars on their new house. When he's finished with that project, he decided to work part-time teaching to keep his mind occupied. He ain't no drug addict, deadbeat, washout, and whateva negativity you call it. He's considering PR in the near future.

My question is to y'all then is that do legit school's provide work permit for part-timers?

I seriously doubt that vietnamese gov't will deport a foreigner married to a vietnamese for teaching part-time w/o work permit. Maybe a small fine or just a slap on the wrist.

[skarper]

Fines can be quite substantial for this kind of misdemeanor - I have heard rumours at least. But deportation for a few hours teaching is unlikely in the first instance.

There is probably no way to get legal in your friends position. Schools are unlikely to foot the WP bill just for some part-timer. He'd have to pay all or most of the costs himself.

I wish they would sort out the unholy shambles that the various WP/visa exemptions/resident cards is - but it doesn't seem likely.

[mushroom_season]

Half the contracts in this country are part time for ESL. If this place wont give you a work permit go to another. Shop around the world''s your oyster. By not shopping around you take off pressure from the employers.

[Okie from Muskogee]

[mushroom_season]

Motivation is not important. His actions are. He is working, that is all that matters. I think its important to cover your backside just in case. The more you underestimate the Vietnamese authorities, the worse the outcome. I am not saying that they are not corrupt nincompoops. But corrupt nincompoops can still make your life a misery if you give them an excuse to do so. If you are in the position to cover your ass before an ass whooping it is generally advisable to do so.

[Okie from Muskogee]

One thing that my friends and I learned over the years in vietnam is that you gotta speak louder than they do with certain charismatic character. Most of the time they ain't gonna understand what the heck you're sayin', but 9/10 they know to back off and leave you alone. Authorities here ain't gonna lock you up for minor infractions because that's just too much of headache for them bureaucrats to deal with especially with our embassies and lawyers.

[mushroom_season]

We all have our survival strategies. I was just trying to advise on how to minimise our illegality footprint. If you aren't doing schools or language centres and are just doing some simple privates for fun while you wile away your time here in retirement. I dont see the major harm. I guess I'm substantially younger with a different footprint and outlook. So I need to adopt a different strategy to you.