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suphanburi
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| Effective with AEC integration in 2015 you can rule out ALL of east and southeast Asia for legal (defined as having a proper visa and the necessary permits) without a degree (visa and/or work permit requirements). |
I'll believe it when I see it. I'd say the day when laws and rules override corruption and chicanery in some of the countries of this region are some way away yet. The only countries that will adhere to this edict are the ones that already do. |
LEGAL work vs work.
There have always been opportunities for illegal work but would you want to relocate your family based on being an illegal, undocumented, migrant worker who depends on bribes and corruption to stay in the country (even if you do have a blue passport and white face).
How do you (or the OP) feel about Mexican fruit pickers or Central American "anchor kids" (same/same) since that is essentially what they will become?
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I can only speak for Indonesia but there are plenty of teachers here without degrees who have work permits and pay taxes, as unpalatable as they may to be some. How their employers procure these work permits is a mystery to me but they do. Of course, there are also some that are blatantly working illegally on tourist, business or social visas just as I imagine there are in Thailand. If they get caught then tough.
I very much doubt the first group of teachers I mentioned are going to suddenly find their work visas revoked on January 1st 2015 because they lack a degree although unqualified "newbies" to the country may not find it so easy as those who are already in the system.
I wasn't condoning nor condemning working in the region without a degree nor was I recommending anyone do it; I was merely pointing out that I don't think it's as clear cut as you seem to think it's going to be. I have a degree so I couldn't care less what happens to those without one. Likewise, I'm not overly concerned about the fortunes of fruitpickers or "anchorkids" (whatever they are) either.
Oh, and my passport's burgundy, not blue. |
Blue was referring to the passport of OP.
As to those working as teachers without a degree ... it's not like we've never seen or heard that song and dance routine before.
Always looking over your shoulder for the next side of the coin to drop, your visa and work permit disappear in a heartbeat, with the teacher and his family stuck between a rock and a hard place, 10000 miles from home...
And if the OP is from the US (as suspected) then the reference to illegal and undocumented workers should strike a chord. Come to think of it... illegal and undocumented workers seems to be an issue in the UK at present as well.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Tudor
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| suphanburi wrote: |
| Tudor wrote: |
| suphanburi wrote: |
| Tudor wrote: |
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| Effective with AEC integration in 2015 you can rule out ALL of east and southeast Asia for legal (defined as having a proper visa and the necessary permits) without a degree (visa and/or work permit requirements). |
I'll believe it when I see it. I'd say the day when laws and rules override corruption and chicanery in some of the countries of this region are some way away yet. The only countries that will adhere to this edict are the ones that already do. |
LEGAL work vs work.
There have always been opportunities for illegal work but would you want to relocate your family based on being an illegal, undocumented, migrant worker who depends on bribes and corruption to stay in the country (even if you do have a blue passport and white face).
How do you (or the OP) feel about Mexican fruit pickers or Central American "anchor kids" (same/same) since that is essentially what they will become?
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I can only speak for Indonesia but there are plenty of teachers here without degrees who have work permits and pay taxes, as unpalatable as they may to be some. How their employers procure these work permits is a mystery to me but they do. Of course, there are also some that are blatantly working illegally on tourist, business or social visas just as I imagine there are in Thailand. If they get caught then tough.
I very much doubt the first group of teachers I mentioned are going to suddenly find their work visas revoked on January 1st 2015 because they lack a degree although unqualified "newbies" to the country may not find it so easy as those who are already in the system.
I wasn't condoning nor condemning working in the region without a degree nor was I recommending anyone do it; I was merely pointing out that I don't think it's as clear cut as you seem to think it's going to be. I have a degree so I couldn't care less what happens to those without one. Likewise, I'm not overly concerned about the fortunes of fruitpickers or "anchorkids" (whatever they are) either.
Oh, and my passport's burgundy, not blue. |
Blue was referring to the passport of OP.
As to those working as teachers without a degree ... it's not like we've never seen or heard that song and dance routine before.
Always looking over your shoulder for the next side of the coin to drop, your visa and work permit disappear in a heartbeat, with the teacher and his family stuck between a rock and a hard place, 10000 miles from home...
And if the OP is from the US (as suspected) then the reference to illegal and undocumented workers should strike a chord. Come to think of it... illegal and undocumented workers seems to be an issue in the UK at present as well.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Suphanburi - sorry but I don't get who you're directing different parts of your post at - me, the OP or if you're just sounding off in general. I've no idea what you mean by "song and dance routine", don't see the relevance of undocumented workers in the UK, and don't know whose or what hypocrisy your pot meet kettle jibe is aimed at. If it was me, then you're way off the mark and you're out of order.
Either way, the OP hasn't been back since as is often the case when people aren't told what they want to hear. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one as only time will tell. Perhaps we can revisit this thread in six month's time and see what, if anything, has changed in our respective countries as well as others across the region.
Have a good evening. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 2236
Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Looking to get started... |
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| Me and my wife are 31. We have no degree and a 2 year old. |
Recipe for disaster. You're better off in your home country. |
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