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kzjohn
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| nicenicegaijin wrote: |
... you can have a look at independent media and studies conducted by universities that are independent and make up your own mind.
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Total BS. Post your link(s) if you actually have them |
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Maitoshi
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| You can't be serious, NNG! It's not too hard to buy a tester and check for yourself if you're that concerned. Many who were scared did just that, my SIL among them. They stopped bothering with it a long time ago. |
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kpjf
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Maitoshi wrote: |
| Then again, I can't see it as mattering so much, either way. Who knows, it may be something I posted awhile back about MA teacher, rather than NNG. "Loser" doesn't sound inventive enough to me. I'd like to think I'd be more creative than that. Drunk posting at some point may be at the root of it, too. Wish I had a link ... |
The only thing remotely close seems to be when nightsintodreams quoted you ("Nice to see you again MATeacher!") then wrote
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| Nice to see you again MATeacher! |
I called it!
I was only 80-90% sure before, but now I'm certain. What a loser... |
Maybe stumptowny accidentally attributed the word loser to you due to that. Anyway, just thought I would mention it! |
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Maitoshi
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| That may be it. Thank you. |
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timothypfox
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:20 am Post subject: |
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stumptowny, can you please stop trolling? Whatever nicenicegaijin allegedly did as nicenicegaijin or any other handle seems to be in the past, and posts and discussions I've seem nicenicegaijin participate in seem legitimate and respectful of other posters.
Just think about who is trolling who now stumptowny. Give up the ghost please, and cease and desist.
Now back to the topic. I live in rural Kirishima, and if I had a decent job I would probably like to live in Fukuoka. A little more excitement there! |
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rxk22
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| nicenicegaijin wrote: |
Rxk22 you could call it that. you could also call someone who drives under the speed limit or people who buy travel insurance chicken too. I would call it risk averse. The Japanese media and pro nuclear media in general do not want to broadcast the fact that a lot of the soil in kanto is contaminated. We all saw the plant blow up and you can have a look at independent media and studies conducted by universities that are independent and make up your own mind.
I wouldn't want my children to eat contaminated food and for it to accumulate in their bodies over time. |
I am going to call it that. You are being silly. Nothing more. You sound paranoid, esp since you "have sources". Most of those sources are pretty crappy(the ones talking about nuclear fall out and the such) |
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kpjf
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| timothypfox wrote: |
I live in rural Kirishima, and if I had a decent job I would probably like to live in Fukuoka. A little more excitement there! |
Is there not much work in Fukuoka? |
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timothypfox
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| kpjf, actually there is not much work in Kyushu. You have to dig around deep for it. |
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kpjf
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the information! |
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nicenicegaijin
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| kzjohn wrote: |
| nicenicegaijin wrote: |
... you can have a look at independent media and studies conducted by universities that are independent and make up your own mind.
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Total BS. Post your link(s) if you actually have them |
Shifting the burden of proof, great another logical fallacy at work here.
Here are just a few links that will be of interest to you. The first is about water pollution http://enenews.com/govt-report-1000000-bqm3-plutonium-detected-ocean-fukushima-contaminated-waters-transported-rapidly-east-across-pacific-fukushima-crisis-important-direct-liquid-release-artificial-radioactivity
Hiroaki Koide, Master of Science in Nuclear Engineering, Assistant Professor at the Kyoto University Research Institute, Nuclear Waste Management & Safety Expert:
The Tohoku and Kanto Regions of Japan were extremely contaminated with radiation. [...]
If the laws of Japan were strictly observed, areas with soil contaminated over 40,000 Bq per sq. meter would be designated as radiation controlled areas.
However, the contamination areas was as large as 20,000 sq. km (7,700 sq. miles), which meant a vast zone in the Tohoku and Kanto Regions would have to be evacuated.
Faced with such a reality, the Japanese government decided it would never be able to help the people in these contaminated areas, and that the people would be abandoned and left there.
As of today, about 10 million people have been left in areas that should have been designated radiation controlled areas, and they are exposed to continual radiation every day.
another link is here. http://agreenroad.blogspot.ch/2012/03/tokyo-is-it-safe-to-visit-or-live-in.html
If you just go through the enenews.com links you can find out the information. |
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Maitoshi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, NNG! Such scholarly and credible research, that! |
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nicenicegaijin
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Maitoshi wrote: |
| Wow, NNG! Such scholarly and credible research, that! |
If you want to have an intelligent conversation, go ahead, but please stop with your patronizing ad hominem attacks.
Explain to me why the links on enenews.com are not credible?
The ones I selected are from university professors, that is about as credible as you can get. In research communities, it is believed that 1st tier journals are the most credible, if you care to have a look at most of the links on ENEnews that one could call credible, they do come from 1st tier. I have not included the links that are not credible.
Are you trying to tell me you think information coming from the people down at NHK telling everyone we should be supporting the Fukushima farmers is more credible. Your problem, like most people's is you are looking at it with emotion. Obviously you live in Kanto, you have children and have been feeding them kanto produce and you don't like the fact that it is contaminated from the fall out. So, you deny it based on your sentiment. argumentum ad populum it is called, and it doesn't work with me or anyone else with intelligence. |
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Maitoshi
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I love it, NNG! Links to fear mongering articles that purposfully misrepresent the issue and you want me to teach you how to evaluate source credibility. Reminds me of how you can still find a few scientists who deny the reality of climate change. Time for a sensationalist report! Next thing I know, you will want me to start taking Fox News seriously.
Besides, we both know full well why you selected those links and why you are crying "ad hominem" attack while making "obvious" assumptions for the basis of my position. Pot and kettle, anyone?
BTW, I live in Chubu. If I cared enough about the issue and my position, I'd be spending my time trying to do something about it rather than tilting at windmills on Dave's. |
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nicenicegaijin
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| Maitoshi wrote: |
I love it, NNG! Links to fear mongering articles that purposfully misrepresent the issue and you want me to teach you how to evaluate source credibility. Reminds me of how you can still find a few scientists who deny the reality of climate change. Time for a sensationalist report! Next thing I know, you will want me to start taking Fox News seriously.
Besides, we both know full well why you selected those links and why you are crying "ad hominem" attack while making "obvious" assumptions for the basis of my position. Pot and kettle, anyone?
BTW, I live in Chubu. If I cared enough about the issue and my position, I'd be spending my time trying to do something about it rather than tilting at windmills on Dave's. |
There you go again with your logical fallacies. Explain to me why the articles are fear mongering. The university professors and research communities that wrote those articles have no hidden agenda. They are reporting the facts based on data they have personally collected. Just because you do not like what they have found or the conclusions they have drawn does not make them wrong.
I have included the fallout map for you. http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=3385
The source is the Japanese government? good enough for you and since it is government it is probably an underestimation. So, next time you are eating your food from Gunma, Ibaraki, Tochigi and even Fukushima have a think about what is in the soil. Only someone in total denial could consider eating food from these prefectures safe. It doesn't matter if you live in Chubu since the food from the affected prefectures is shipped Japan wide and is sold in most restaurants. |
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Maitoshi
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Okie dokie  |
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