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esl_prof
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| You have the standard quals for a university-level teacher trainer here in Canada (assuming that is a related MA), are you sure you really need to fork out more? I can't imagine that most non-anglophone developing countries would demand more than the big five. |
SIT TESOL and, I believe, CELTA both offer in-house training-of-trainer programs for teachers who want to become trainers for their specific programs. I imagine the same is true for other high-profile teacher training programs as well. SIT TESOL, for example, requires 300 hours of supervised training to become a trainer for their TESOL certificate course, which includes a 40 hour online component followed by what is essentially an apprenticeship with a an experienced "trainer of trainers" on two separate 130 hour TESOL certificate courses. The tuition for the entire program is $1500 plus any travel expenses you might incur if you need to travel to another location to do the 130 hour certificate courses.
But unless one aspires to be a trainer for one of these very specialized programs, you're absolutely right in that a (1) relevant MA plus (2) significant hands-on classroom experience is generally sufficient for most training gigs. Nomad's list of things to do prepare yourself and get experience as a trainer on the other thread, of course, are all very good ways to get started. |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Big? Like New Zealand? |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Malta doesn't even get a look in... : ( |
Nor the Cayman Islands, the official English-speaking offshore headquarters of many prestigious and highly coveted "internashionally ackredited" online TEPHL certificate programs.  |
The first step to Antarctica : ) |
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spiral78
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Yeah, I gulped a bit over that one too. Ok, let's see if I can get it right this time.
Australia, Canada, Cayman Islands, Ireland, Malta, New Zealand, South Africa, United Kingdom, United States.
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Cyprus? |
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Xie Lin
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Cyprus? |
Based on. . . English as the largest immigrant language? 
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esl_prof
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Big? Like New Zealand? |
"Big" is a euphemism, Comrade, for "Western" or, more precisely, "developed" countries with "Anglocentric" majority cultures. Why else would South Africa and Ireland always be on the periphery of the "Big 5" and the Anglophone Caribbean countries like Trinidad, Jamaica, the Bahamas, Cayman Islands, or Turks and Caicos simply be excluded entirely. Ditto for Anglophone African countries such as Liberia, Ghana, or Kenya. Why do we not see, for example, countries like Jamaica that routinely export Anglophone teachers to neighboring Caribbean countries taking advantage of the market for English teachers in places like, say, Southeast Asia? Might this not be evidence that the TEFL-industrial complex is but yet another tool of the capitalist minions to promote linguistic imperialism and threaten the freedom of honest hard-working laborers around the world? |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Xie Lin wrote: |
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| Cyprus? |
Based on. . . English as the largest immigrant language?
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Fairly long history of anglophone colonialism. Almost as long as, say, froncophone Canada... |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| esl_prof wrote: |
| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Big? Like New Zealand? |
"Big" is a euphemism, Comrade, for "Western" or, more precisely, "developed" countries with "Anglocentric" majority cultures. Why else would South Africa and Ireland always be on the periphery of the "Big 5" and the Anglophone Caribbean countries like Trinidad, Jamaica, the Bahamas, Cayman Islands, or Turks and Caicos simply be excluded entirely. Ditto for Anglophone African countries such as Liberia, Ghana, or Kenya. Why do we not see, for example, countries like Jamaica that routinely export Anglophone teachers to neighboring Caribbean countries taking advantage of the market for English teachers in places like, say, Southeast Asia? Might this not be evidence that the TEFL-industrial complex is but yet another tool of the capitalist minions to promote linguistic imperialism and threaten the freedom of honest hard-working laborers around the world? |
Clearly the work of the imperialists, no doubt. But I think they are using the Nobel literature awards as their guide. Those anglophone countries with lots of laureates get onto the list... |
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Xie Lin
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Cyprus? |
Based on. . . English as the largest immigrant language?
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Fairly long history of anglophone colonialism. Almost as long as, say, froncophone Canada... |
Less than a century, no? 75 or 80 years, or thereabouts--a mere blink of the eye compared to all those long centuries of Greek and Ottoman influence!
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Sashadroogie
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Since the 1870s.
And which side of the road to they drive on, eh?! |
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johnslat
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Dear Sasha,
But I think they are using the Nobel literature awards as their guide. Those anglophone countries with lots of laureates get onto the list.
Not if you calculate based on population:
"1 Saint Lucia 2 182,273 109.726
2 Luxembourg 2 530,380 37.709
3 Switzerland 25 8,077,833 30.949
4 Iceland 1 329,535 30.346
5 Sweden 29 9,571,105 30.300
6 Norway 13 5,042,671 25.780
7 Denmark 14 5,619,096 24.915
8 Austria 21 8,495,145 24.720
9 United Kingdom 123 63,136,265 19.482
10 East Timor 2 1,132,879 17.654
11 Israel 12 7,733,144 15.518
12 Ireland 6 4,627,173 12.967
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita
But that's ALL the Nobel Prizes, not just literature.
But even in just literature, Ireland's right behind the USA and the UK.
France 15
United States 10
United Kingdom 10
Germany 8
Sweden 8
Italy 6
Spain 6
Poland 4
Ireland 4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_in_Literature#Nobel_laureates_by_country
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santi84
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| For heaven's sake, I apologize, it is a common term we use here and I don't mean to offend or imply exclusivity over the language. |
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esl_prof
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| santi84 wrote: |
| For heaven's sake, I apologize, it is a common term we use here and I don't mean to offend or imply exclusivity over the language. |
No worries. While the term is problematic, it does accurately define who is or isn't legally allowed to teach English in much of the non-Anglophone world, regardless of whether or not some of us agree with that particular definition.
And, then, there's also the small problem that some of us are prone to going off on tangents that are only peripherally related to the topic at hand . . . Heck, some of us have probably even hijacked our own threads on occasion.  |
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cassava
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Training to become a Teacher Trainer |
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I'm thinking that when it comes time to leave my current teaching position, this might be a useful certifcation, especially as I may end up in the developing world (as the spouse wants to work for an NGO).
I have 25yrs exp + CELTA + MA.
Who offers such programs for TEFL apart from Council CELTA?
Any leads appreciated.
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Exactly what do you mean by the "developing world"? This term reeks of the kind of ideological mumbo-jumbo currently in vogue in the lexicon of certain Western institutions. I suspect that you are in fact referring to "underdeveloped countries". For your information, underdevelopment is largely a system of asymmetric development unleashed in countries which have been subjected to Western colonialist and imperialist polices. The consequences have been poverty and uneven development.
The last thing many of these countries want is a bunch of goody two shoes coming out to their countries to force English down their unwilling throats. In any case, most of these people speak some English. Why should you be allowed to disrupt their lives anyhow? Your major concern seems to be a desire to feather your nest by making a few extra bucks.
People in underdeveloped countries do not need teflers. They do not need born-again bible thumpers or other gullible do-gooders. They do not need "aid". What they need is for Western governments to stop plundering their resources and to establish fair terms of terms with them so that their products can bring proper economic returns on world markets.
So much of tefl activities in underdeveloped countries is largely unnecessary, often a scam perpetrated by greedy people under the guise of helping. |
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