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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the unis I've taught at each CLASS consists of 2x50 min periods.
You for example do 8.00 to 8.50 and 9.00 to 9.50 with the same students.
At 9.50 you go to another CLASS and ditto repeato.
Occasionally the break in the 10.00 class is deleted for some classrooms. This is done to stagger the pressure on the dining halls and is done in the teaching blocks nearest the dining halls.
The 50 min (or 45 in some schools) is called a 'teaching hour' or I prefer 'contact hour'.
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happyinshangqiu



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
In the unis I've taught at each CLASS consists of 2x50 min periods.
You for example do 8.00 to 8.50 and 9.00 to 9.50 with the same students.
At 9.50 you go to another CLASS and ditto repeato.
Occasionally the break in the 10.00 class is deleted for some classrooms. This is done to stagger the pressure on the dining halls and is done in the teaching blocks nearest the dining halls.
The 50 min (or 45 in some schools) is called a 'teaching hour' or I prefer 'contact hour'.


What's with the capitals?

Why can't we have two classes that cover a teaching period of two hours?
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murray1978



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

May I ask what city each of you are teaching in? I am interested in teaching at a university in China and have six years university ESL experience.

Does your university block your hours? At my last uni job in Korea, my Head Teacher gave out a form where teachers would give him their preferences and he would try to match classes.

For example, one semester he had me teach only morning with my classes back to back to back. Does China do the same thing?

I am currently teaching at a college in Saudi Arabia. The money is great and I will have a nice nest egg for when I head to China and not worry about bills.

Is the salary enough to live and enjoy yourself off of? It looks like the average salary falls between 5000-6000 rmb a month.

Cheers,

Murray
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rioux



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Changzhou, Jiangsu

Most all of my classes start at about 4pm and yes my classes are all blocked together.
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

happyinshangqiu wrote:
Non Sequitur wrote:
In the unis I've taught at each CLASS consists of 2x50 min periods.
You for example do 8.00 to 8.50 and 9.00 to 9.50 with the same students.
At 9.50 you go to another CLASS and ditto repeato.
Occasionally the break in the 10.00 class is deleted for some classrooms. This is done to stagger the pressure on the dining halls and is done in the teaching blocks nearest the dining halls.
The 50 min (or 45 in some schools) is called a 'teaching hour' or I prefer 'contact hour'.


What's with the capitals?

Why can't we have two classes that cover a teaching period of two hours?

CAPS were just to make sure you know what I'm talking about. We've had periods, hours, contact hours in the mix so far.
In the tertiaries I've taught at one group of students (a class) is with you for 2 teaching hours each of 50 mins.
The 10 mins comes out of the 'clock hour' to produce the 'teaching hour'.
The 10 mins midway through a class is toilet and decompress time.
The end of class 10 mins is when you go to your new classroom which can be in another building.
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happyinshangqiu



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
happyinshangqiu wrote:
Non Sequitur wrote:
In the unis I've taught at each CLASS consists of 2x50 min periods.
You for example do 8.00 to 8.50 and 9.00 to 9.50 with the same students.
At 9.50 you go to another CLASS and ditto repeato.
Occasionally the break in the 10.00 class is deleted for some classrooms. This is done to stagger the pressure on the dining halls and is done in the teaching blocks nearest the dining halls.
The 50 min (or 45 in some schools) is called a 'teaching hour' or I prefer 'contact hour'.


What's with the capitals?

Why can't we have two classes that cover a teaching period of two hours?

CAPS were just to make sure you know what I'm talking about. We've had periods, hours, contact hours in the mix so far.
In the tertiaries I've taught at one group of students (a class) is with you for 2 teaching hours each of 50 mins.
The 10 mins comes out of the 'clock hour' to produce the 'teaching hour'.
The 10 mins midway through a class is toilet and decompress time.
The end of class 10 mins is when you go to your new classroom which can be in another building.


I understand perfectly.

Two, 50 minute classes make up a two hour teaching period.

I don't think there is any confusion.

Confused
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of my university contracts had some similar phrasing regarding hours. I agree make sure that the contract specifies what happens when the teacher is asked to work more than the larger number of hours in the contract. What is the overtime rate? etc. But in my experience, NS is right that the school probably has no idea until late exactly how many hours they need from a foreign teacher.

Personally, I'm more concerned with the grouping of hours (mornings or afternoons, mornings and afternoons, evening classes, Mondays or Fridays without classes?) and the type of classes. Writing classes or subject classes take more preparation time, usually, than conversation classes, and that time needs to be factored in to the equation.
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tlkdmc



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because your schedule is inconvenient doesn't give you a right to rant about it and knock your employer. Just because you've been blocked in hours - early morning and then late afternoon. Well, that's tough, that is the schedule. Perhaps you would rather work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day like the Chinese folks. Why should the foreigner get the cushy schedule?
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Dan123



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tlkdmc wrote:
Just because your schedule is inconvenient doesn't give you a right to rant about it and knock your employer. Just because you've been blocked in hours - early morning and then late afternoon. Well, that's tough, that is the schedule. Perhaps you would rather work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day like the Chinese folks. Why should the foreigner get the cushy schedule?


China would have no more foreign teachers if schools demanded 12 hour days and 6 day weeks. I know you're trolling, but use your head before you type.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happyinshangqiu wrote:
Non Sequitur wrote:
happyinshangqiu wrote:
Non Sequitur wrote:
In the unis I've taught at each CLASS consists of 2x50 min periods.
You for example do 8.00 to 8.50 and 9.00 to 9.50 with the same students.
At 9.50 you go to another CLASS and ditto repeato.
Occasionally the break in the 10.00 class is deleted for some classrooms. This is done to stagger the pressure on the dining halls and is done in the teaching blocks nearest the dining halls.
The 50 min (or 45 in some schools) is called a 'teaching hour' or I prefer 'contact hour'.


What's with the capitals?

Why can't we have two classes that cover a teaching period of two hours?

CAPS were just to make sure you know what I'm talking about. We've had periods, hours, contact hours in the mix so far.
In the tertiaries I've taught at one group of students (a class) is with you for 2 teaching hours each of 50 mins.
The 10 mins comes out of the 'clock hour' to produce the 'teaching hour'.
The 10 mins midway through a class is toilet and decompress time.
The end of class 10 mins is when you go to your new classroom which can be in another building.


I understand perfectly.

Two, 50 minute classes make up a two hour teaching period.

I don't think there is any confusion.

Confused


You asked 'what's with the capitals'?
I recapped my views.
There are other people reading this thread.
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wangdaning



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan123 wrote:
tlkdmc wrote:
Just because your schedule is inconvenient doesn't give you a right to rant about it and knock your employer. Just because you've been blocked in hours - early morning and then late afternoon. Well, that's tough, that is the schedule. Perhaps you would rather work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day like the Chinese folks. Why should the foreigner get the cushy schedule?


China would have no more foreign teachers if schools demanded 12 hour days and 6 day weeks. I know you're trolling, but use your head before you type.


Some posters have reading comprehension issues. Meaning they don't read, just say no one should ever post anything for discussion. They might as well petition Dave to close the site.
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
doesn't give you a right to rant


that is a god given right.
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Son of Bud Powell



Joined: 04 Mar 2015
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait. A rant about someone else not having the right to rant?
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tlkdmc



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the double standard is rampant beyond comprehenson on this site. One person rants, the other say shut up or use the cowardly "report" option to have a member removed. Dictatorship by proxy, really.

But, let's be clear, ranting here is not a god given right as claimed. This is a private, membership-by-approval-site, thus it's not a public site that follows free-speech.

Lazy folks who want 14 hours a week and double the expected pay, and, oh, yeah, they want those 14 class hours jumbled up in a 2 days work week - oh yea, wait, 2 consecutive days, so they can do "whatever" for the other 5 consecutive days.

Fact is, China would have no issues getting people to work 6 days a week as claimed in opposition. China already has it. Take a look around. Not only that, look at the class-status of foreigners around here - you'll find more than enough - because they have nothing else, nowhere else to go. China is hardly a career destination - it's an unable-to-work-elsewhere place. Single digit percentage of folks here are here for 'worthy" reasons.
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
But, let's be clear, ranting here is not a god given right as claimed. This is a private, membership-by-approval-site, thus it's not a public site that follows free-speech.


God given rights are not aligned with the free speech movement but rather tied to "Free Will". As my claim was not stuck down by a mod then it is safe to assume tht the right to "bit*h" is therefore sanctioned on this site.
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Lazy folks who want 14 hours a week and double the expected pay, and, oh, yeah, they want those 14 class hours jumbled up in a 2 days work week - oh yea, wait, 2 consecutive days, so they can do "whatever" for the other 5 consecutive days.


You call them lazy I would call them genus at logistical planning if they can accomplish that. I worked three days per week after 1pm and had all hours/class scheduled in time slots next to each other.


Quote:
hardly a career destination - it's an unable-to-work-elsewhere place.


Hardly matters if you can construct a workable and valued employment here that meets your needs.
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