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cnthaiksarok
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Equatorial Guinea
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cnthaiksarok
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| I think many of the jobs aren't even advertised. So exactly how are we supposed to find them? |
you've hit the nail on the head.
the very high-paying, mountainous package, etc, etc..positions are often coveted (not always for the better of the operation).
promotions are most often done in-house and "recruitment" through existing staff members.
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cnthaiksarok
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| Of course I tried to apply for Aramco, BAE and Raytheon but I think many of these jobs are for US or UK citizens. |
From what I understand,
BAE hires Brits first and other Westerners after, as a general rule.
Raytheon handles the recruitment (and then later compound issues) for who are to be SALTS employees, exclusively. They only hire US citizens, but don't currently employ any English instructors directly. (Mgmt. only)
Aramco will basically hire any nationality, but for English teaching positions (obviously) favor native speakers and or bilinguals. |
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nomad soul
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The American University of Iraq-Sulaimani and the American University of Afghanistan pay about $50,000 US per year---about the same as KSA. However, given the current situation in both Iraq and Afghanistan, teacher recruitment is mostly focusing on qualified nationals instead of expats. Ads will generally show up on higheredjobs.com. There's Shell Oil in Basra, Iraq, but again, there are Iraqis filling TEFL positions. |
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cnthaiksarok
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| There are Westerners in each locale currently earning 100+ but they aren't in tefl positions that are generally advertised. |
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nomad soul
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| cnthaiksarok wrote: |
| There are Westerners in each locale currently earning 100+ but they aren't in tefl positions that are generally advertised. |
For which employer, if they're still there? Plus, there are western-educated Iraqis currently teaching EFL for Shell Oil in Basra. |
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cnthaiksarok
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plumpy nut
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| Possibly your home country. In order to teach ESL in your home country, you would have to have a primary license to teach and you would have to get additional TESOL training to be licensed to teach TESOL. I would recommend spending the time. Don't be fooled by the seemingly high wages. The Saudi system is rotten to the core, and will in the end take more from you then it will give. I can understand wanting to go overseas to teach. To satisfy that kind of longing a stint in a Korean or Taiwan public school is a good idea. Although for Taiwan public schools you have to be licensed to teach in your home country. |
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myohmy
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| However, given the current situation in both Iraq and Afghanistan, teacher recruitment is mostly focusing on qualified nationals instead of expats. |
Absolutely untrue for Afghanistan. Where do you get your information? |
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currentaffairs
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| Possibly your home country. In order to teach ESL in your home country, you would have to have a primary license to teach and you would have to get additional TESOL training to be licensed to teach TESOL. |
There are plenty of ESL jobs in UK/Europe where you just require a TEFL cert to teach. A number of teachers wouldn't even have one of the brand TEFL certs like Trinity certTESOL or CELTA. |
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plumpy nut
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Thank you for all the useful posts.
Why is finding privates in Saudi not as feasible as Korea or China?
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Since when is finding singles in Korea feasible on an E2 visa which is what most people come in on? If they catch you it's deportation time. In Saudi Arabia if they catch you breaking your contract fines can be as high as 100,000 Riyals, for some a year's wages. |
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myohmy
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| Many teachers I know do privates and seem unconcerned about being "caught". Moreover, opportunities do them are prevalent. |
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spiral78
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| There are plenty of ESL jobs in UK/Europe where you just require a TEFL cert to teach. A number of teachers wouldn't even have one of the brand TEFL certs like Trinity certTESOL or CELTA. |
You're talking bottom-of-the-barrel pay, though. The thread is about where the high-paying jobs are. |
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currentaffairs
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| There are plenty of ESL jobs in UK/Europe where you just require a TEFL cert to teach. A number of teachers wouldn't even have one of the brand TEFL certs like Trinity certTESOL or CELTA. |
You're talking bottom-of-the-barrel pay, though. The thread is about where the high-paying jobs are. |
The way the sentence was written it seems to suggest that your need a "primary license" to teach in the UK..
There are actually a number of high paying university ESL jobs in the UK where you wouldn't necessarily need a MA or PGCE - just a BA and TEFL cert plus experience. Most of these are seasonal, though. |
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AKChina
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Better to be doing 12 hours a day in China than 3 hours a day in KSA.
Honestly the pay in KSA is pretty lousy. Over here in Vietnam I'm saving $2,000 a month having got my schedule optimised. I'm hoping to be able to save a bit more in China when I move there, once I get to know the lay of the land. Both countries grant a much higher standard of living than KSA.
Entry level pay in KSA is $45,000USD, so around $4,000 a month. Let's say you save $3,500 of it, well that's nice and all, but is living in Saudi Arabia really only worth an extra $1,500 a month?
You'd have to be paying me around $80,000USD a year (plus apartment, flights etc) for me to consider KSA. |
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