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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Vietnam Start-Up Costs Reply with quote

esl_prof wrote:
ExpatLuke wrote:
If there are any newbies considering Vietnam. Please don't listen to any of the horse sh** coming from VietCanada. He's a bit delusional.

There are a lot of people who give out solid info, but he's not one of them.


This.

On a previous thread, VC said this about some advice she disagreed with:

VietCanada wrote:
. . . I am considering reporting the post to Dave's ES Cafe moderators but I am unsure that they have a category for blatantly giving false information to newbies to this board.


Since then, it's become clear that she is the one who is actually dispensing false information to newbies on the basis of her "extensive" experience teaching math at elite "international" schools. Frankly, "a bit delusional" is a very generous description of her contributions to this board.


Says the guy who has never worked in Vietnam and clearly hasn't any clue whatsoever about what skills are valued or required to work here.

I'll give you a hint. Vietnam and virtually all of SE Asia is about teaching children hence a TEFL cert in teaching adults would be _____.

a) Stupid because virtually all the work in VN is teaching children.
b) I don't know because I've never worked in VN.
c) Absolutely vital because I got one 20 years ago to teach in Europe. So it must be necessary, because you know I got one and I'm a TEFL God. Who cares what the the legal requirements are! Who cares about the opinions of people who actually have experience teaching there! I'm right and I"m holding my breath until everyone who teaches in VN agrees with me and tells that experienced teacher that he is wrong!, Wrong I say! So get to it! I'm stamping my feet now and you know what that means! er you would if you taught in Europe where I teach... But no matter! Who cares if I came to a board of a country that I've never taught, who cares that I'm advocating a TEFL cert to teach adults when simply reading any posts on this board confirms that all the jobs are for teaching children! I'm right, I'M RIGHT, I'M RIGHT...
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The generosity grows with each post... Very Happy
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
The generosity grows with each post... Very Happy


LO this is truly fascinating! A guy with absolutely no experience whatsever teaching or living in VN is now going to post in the thread about what it costs to live in VN?

How desperate are you to trash me for disagreeing with you that a TEFL cert to teach adults is not required, legally or practically to get a job in VN? You know the country I actually have worked in for 6 years? That you know nothing about?

How far do plan to take this OCD nonsense of yours?
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many others who have extensive experience working in Vietnam agree with you?

Your tired line about us claiming a TEFL cert is legally needed - when no posters have said such a thing once - is not a sufficient defence. Nobody is disagreeing with you about the legalities about a cert in Vietnam - because nobody but you is arguing about it.

And these childish accusations about other posters' mental health... What is it they say about those who keep repeating the same mistakes while always expecting a different outcome every time...?
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
How many others who have extensive experience working in Vietnam agree with you?

Your tired line about us claiming a TEFL cert is legally needed - when no posters have said such a thing once - is not a sufficient defence. Nobody is disagreeing with you about the legalities about a cert in Vietnam - because nobody but you is arguing about it.

And these childish accusations about other posters' mental health... What is it they say about those who keep repeating the same mistakes while always expecting a different outcome every time...?


Everybody agrees with me. I actually live and work here. Today I worked with three other foreign nationals, from Canada, Australia, the US and we all agree with me. It's a shared experience for those who actually live and work here. This coming week I'll work with a few more fellow VN teachers. In the fall when the school year starts I'll meet many more. The same as all six years I've worked here.

How about you? How many classes will you teach in VN this week? How many fellow VN teachers will you meet up with? How about in your entire lifetime? 0.

But you keep living in your fantasy world that you have any advice of any value to offer in this VN board.

Here's an idea- why don't you ignore the question of your total, complete lack of experience or knowledge working here in VN and whinge about me ignoring your post?

That sort of leaves you no choice but yet another witless comment eh?
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and still no decorum, I see. Good manners must be a side-effect of getting a Celta I didn't know about, until now...
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
...and still no decorum, I see. Good manners must be a side-effect of getting a Celta I didn't know about, until now...


And exactly how does your response contribute to a posters enquiry about start-up costs in VN?

I see online TEFL certs do a much better job of advancing reading comprehension skills.

You do know what the OP is asking about right?

So tell us, oh great gazoo- what are the start-up costs for working in Vietnam?
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Vietnam Start-Up Costs Reply with quote

VietCanada wrote:



I'll give you a hint. Vietnam and virtually all of SE Asia is about teaching children hence a TEFL cert in teaching adults would be _____.


Two things which have already been said to you multiple times, yet you're too comprehend:

1- The CELTA is not a certificate in teaching adults. That's just a fact that takes a minute amount of research to know.

2- All of SE Asia is not about teaching children. Even entry level jobs have a lot of options for teaching adults if that's what you want.

Stop trying to spread your lies. It's just not working.
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Vietnam Start-Up Costs Reply with quote

ExpatLuke wrote:
VietCanada wrote:



I'll give you a hint. Vietnam and virtually all of SE Asia is about teaching children hence a TEFL cert in teaching adults would be _____.


Two things which have already been said to you multiple times, yet you're too comprehend:

1- The CELTA is not a certificate in teaching adults. That's just a fact that takes a minute amount of research to know.

2- All of SE Asia is not about teaching children. Even entry level jobs have a lot of options for teaching adults if that's what you want.

Stop trying to spread your lies. It's just not working.


You are not serious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CELTA

"CELTA (Certificate in English Language Teaching to Adults)"

"CELTA focuses on teaching adult learners"

"The course enables candidates to: Acquire a range of practical skills for teaching English to adult learners"

"Topic 4 has five syllabus content points

4.1 Principles of planning for effective teaching of adult learners of English
4.2 Lesson planning for effective teaching of adult learners of English"

I could do this for hours but what do you think the 'A' in CELTA and DELTA stand for?

Maybe you should stick to a topic you know something about.
I think it's pretty clear you're in over your head with this one.

Here's a couple results for TEFL Certs in Vietnam:

http://www.goabroad.com/tefl-courses/search/vietnam/tefl-abroad-1

http://avse.edu.vn/tesol/

After looking at the rest of your attack spam in defence of your master, I think I'll call it a night. LOL
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posted from the the same website... lol Wikipedia.

Topic 1 – Learners and teachers, and the teaching and learning context

Topic 1 has six syllabus content points:

1.1 Cultural, linguistic and education backgrounds
1.2 Motivations for learning English as an adult
1.3 Learning and teaching styles
1.4 Contexts for learning and teaching English
1.5 Varieties of English
1.6 Multilingualism and the role of first languages.

Topic 1 is assessed through teaching practice (planning and teaching) and a written assignment focused on the learner and learning contexts: ‘Focus on the learner’.

Topic 2 – Language analysis and awareness

Topic 2 has seven syllabus content points:

2.1 Basic concepts and terminology used in English language teaching to discuss language form and use
2.2 Grammar – grammatical frameworks: rules and conventions relating to words, sentences paragraphs and texts
2.3 Lexis – word formation, meaning and use in context;
2.4 Phonology – the formation and description of English phonemes and the feature of connected speech
2.5 The practical significance of similarities and differences between languages
2.6 Reference materials for language awareness
2.7 Key strategies and approaches for developing learners’ language knowledge.

Topic 2 is assessed through teaching practice (planning and teaching) and a written assignment focused on an aspect of the English language system: ‘Language related tasks’.

Topic 3 – Language skills: reading, listening, speaking and writing

Topic 3 has five syllabus content points:

3.1 Reading (basic concepts and terminology, purposes, decoding meaning and potential barriers);
3.2 Listening (basic concepts and terminology, purposes, features, potential barriers)
3.3 Speaking(basic concepts and terminology, features, language functions, paralinguistic features, phonemic systems)
3.4 Writing (basic concepts and terminology, sub-skills and features, stages of teaching writing, beginner literacy, English spelling and punctuation)
3.5 Teaching (key strategies and approaches for developing learners’ receptive and productive skills).

Topic 3 is assessed through teaching practice (planning and teaching) and a written assignment focused on an aspect of language skills: ‘Language skills related tasks’ .

Topic 4 – Planning and resources for different teaching contexts

Topic 4 has five syllabus content points

4.1 Principles of planning for effective teaching of adult learners of English
4.2 Lesson planning for effective teaching of adult learners of English
4.3 Evaluation and lesson planning
4.4 The selection, adaption and evaluation of materials and resources in planning (including computer and other technology based resources)
4.5 Knowledge of commercially produced resources and non-published materials and classroom resources for teaching English to adults.

Topic 4 is assessed through teaching practice (planning and teaching) and a written assignment focused on classroom teaching and the identification of action points: ‘Lessons from the classroom’.

Topic 5 – Developing teaching skills and professionalism

Topic 5 has nine syllabus content points:

5.1 The effective organisation of the classroom
5.2 Classroom presence and control
5.3 Teacher and learner language
5.4 The use of teaching materials and resources
5.5 practical skills for teaching at a range of levels
5.6 The monitoring and evaluation of adult learners
5.7 Evaluation of the teaching/learning process
5.8 Professional development responsibilities
5.9 Professional development support systems.

Topic 5 is assessed through teaching practice (planning and teaching) and a written assignment focused on classroom teaching and the identification of action points: ‘Lessons from the classroom’

Clearly, all of that only applies to adults right? I only see maybe 5 points which only apply to adults. Seriously, what is it going to take for you take get a clue?
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LarueLarry



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: Vietnam Start-Up Costs Reply with quote

VietCanada wrote:
...Vietnam and virtually all of SE Asia is about teaching children...


Had to chime in with my experience. Teaching children takes up about 15% of my workload. It could be 0% if I want it to be but I like keeping a kid's class to mix things up a bit. But yes, if you're fresh off the boat with limited experience your gigs will probably be kiddie classes.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you got a Celta? Or anything above a cheap online TEFL cert? If so, your post will be discredited, and your mental health called into question. And the vast majority of posters with experience in Vietnam (teaching kids only) will silently ignore you, and will not post anything on this board. Even if you don't, you are still not a real teacher anyway.

At least, that is how the argument seems to run. I could have garbled a little of it along the way. Not sure. I may need to Google it, just to be sure. Google is my friend.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those with an online teching cert or some unknown garbage brand cert, teaching kids will be your future in SE Asia.

For those with a CELTA or equivalent, a range of teaching contexts will open up for you, and a decent wage.

I have one teens class and the rest of my classes are with adults. I am in SE Asia. VC Canada is with the birds as seen by his avatar.
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esl_prof



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
At least, that is how the argument seems to run. I could have garbled a little of it along the way.


Assuming you've correctly interpreted the argument, it appears that VC is the only one left in this conversation who is qualified to speak. Maybe we should head back to Russia forum and continue the discussion there.

Cпокойной ночи! Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hic! Ach! Что делать? That is what we must answer!
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