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aviator1x1
Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 12
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Starting in Japan after 40: My Experience |
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TransientTefler wrote: |
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Hello Everyone,
Here is my comment on starting at a late age in Japan. I will share my experience.
I received my MA in TESOL when I was 42. Prior to receiving my MA, I had no ESL or EFL teaching experience. I was about to get laid off from my career job and decided to switch, so I decided on TESOL.
After two years of gaining experience at local city colleges and language schools in the U.S.., I started applying to various jobs overseas. Some called but most didn't. One university in Japan did call however, and I went through the whole process and received a full time contracted offer with benefits. This happened at the age of 44. I think this would be the equivalent of winning the lottery for someone like me.
In short, it is not impossible to obtain a good offer in Japan at an older age. Even some private language schools in their job advertisements are looking for people with business and vocational experience. If you are coming from an non-EFL/ESL teaching background, you have to emphasize on your experience as a corporate worker, tradesman, or businessman.
I would also like to make one final point. For those starting at an older age in Japan, most of your colleagues will be at least ten years younger than you. In my department, most are in their late 20s to early 30s, and they have several years of experience in addition to their MAs. There are only three of us that are in our 40s.
Please do not get discouraged with your age and do your best to sell yourself.
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Thanks.
How long do you think you can work in that job before you are deemed too old by the Japanese? |
Good question. I don't know, but it is a contractual position and I'm going to guess that the renewal limit is at 5 years regardless the age. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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JET only pays 3,300,000 per year and they can put you anywhere in Japan. Is 275,000 yen/ month that great?
Perhaps working two jobs in Tokyo would be better??(provided I could find two) What about private students preparing for overseas study? |
JET is a lot more than a salary. Often JET housing is subsidized, you're flown to and from your assignment, provides language training, and various seminars.
On top of that, JET has its own social network, publications (which you can write for) and connections to local community organizations.
As some readers on Dave's know, I was a JET participant in deep Shikoku 17 years ago. It was ideal - a place I had never imagined going to, housing and bills set up on arrival, guidance from Japanese teachers (some were CELTA certified, many near native speakers), a chance to learn Japanese language and culture with the JET safety net (you're a government worker), and disposable income for travel.
These days, as a newcomer to Japan, you're looking at a salary range of ¥230,000-280,000 for contract ALT work or eikaiwa.
As a noob, you are reponsible for everything - transport to Japan, finding accommodation (do this yourself so you don't get messed with by your company), dealing with banking, bills, learning the labour code all while trying to learn the language and culture.
I taught business English on the side in Tokyo. These kinds of jobs were plentiful before the Lehman Shock in 2008, and mostly evening positions at big corporations. These jobs were contracted on a semester system different from the academic year.
You may find some eikaiwa have business English students, but it's a mix of kids, high school students, homemakers, and working people who need a TOEIC score. |
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RustyShackleford

Joined: 13 May 2013 Posts: 449
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:29 am Post subject: |
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If you need to find yourself a wife...frankly, I'm not sure that a TEFLer in their 40s is going to get much traction, as it were. No idea what you're looking for, but, my only advice on that front is don't settle for the first nice lady to smile your way. I've seen the fallout of too many nasty divorces in Japan from "dekikons" (shotgun marriages) and the story of the foreigner who finds a gorgeous spouse only to find out that it's not what they wanted are many. Not trying to scare anyone, but rather just throw some sobriety on that thought.
Your qualifications sound great, by the way. I would definitely recommend JET. Hopefully you get Saitama, where I think they were really making inroads towards serious professional development and you'll have easy access to where "the action" so to speak. They also set you up really well compared to some of the other outfits. Not to mention that you get your weekends and no evenings. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Go easy on the dude. Some people just aren't ready to settle down until they are older, and it's possible there are mature Japanese women who don't bat an eye at the language and culture challenge of dating a non-Japanese.
I didn't meet Raito-san until I was over 40. He had never dated a foreign woman before me. The difference with us is that I've lived her a while, and I speak Japanese. BTW, he speaks fairly good English, just not to me. |
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TransientTefler
Joined: 07 Aug 2015 Posts: 16
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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What about private students? |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:44 am Post subject: |
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See this thread - http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=104357
I have whittled my private students down to just two. I got tired of he anxiety level of my students - they mostly want TOIEC scores or have high pressure at work. Difficult people to deal with. My last two students are both English teachers who come to me for English communication practice and to discuss TESOL topics. It's more rewarding for both me and them.
My rate is ¥3500 an hour, but few people are willing to pay that much.
Once you get established here, you can maybe find private students rough work connections, or tutor high school students for test prep or study abroad. |
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TransientTefler
Joined: 07 Aug 2015 Posts: 16
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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TokyoLiz wrote: |
See this thread - http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=104357
I have whittled my private students down to just two. I got tired of he anxiety level of my students - they mostly want TOIEC scores or have high pressure at work. Difficult people to deal with. My last two students are both English teachers who come to me for English communication practice and to discuss TESOL topics. It's more rewarding for both me and them.
My rate is ¥3500 an hour, but few people are willing to pay that much.
Once you get established here, you can maybe find private students rough work connections, or tutor high school students for test prep or study abroad. |
I tried to PM you, twice. Is your inbox full? |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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just message me once, and then wait. |
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marley'sghost
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 255
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:57 am Post subject: |
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TransientTefler wrote: |
JET only pays 3,300,000 per year and they can put you anywhere in Japan. Is 275,000 yen/ month that great?
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275.000 is a great starting wage for these days. JET will also contribute to your Japanese health and pension insurance, unlike a lot of dispatch and eikaiwa outfits. JET does not pay what it used to, but then nobody does. IMO it's still the best way to get started. |
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TransientTefler
Joined: 07 Aug 2015 Posts: 16
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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marley'sghost wrote: |
TransientTefler wrote: |
JET only pays 3,300,000 per year and they can put you anywhere in Japan. Is 275,000 yen/ month that great?
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275.000 is a great starting wage for these days. JET will also contribute to your Japanese health and pension insurance, unlike a lot of dispatch and eikaiwa outfits. JET does not pay what it used to, but then nobody does. IMO it's still the best way to get started. |
Yes, but what about if you want to live somewhere like Tokyo - JET will put you in the sticks - is it worth it? Couldn't you just work two jobs and then live somewhere you want to live? |
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kpjf

Joined: 18 Jan 2012 Posts: 385
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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TransientTefler wrote: |
Yes, but what about if you want to live somewhere like Tokyo - JET will put you in the sticks - is it worth it?Couldn't you just work two jobs |
You're 'officially' not allowed another job. There are more Tokyo placements nowadays due to the Olympics in 2020 (before they were almost non-existent) but as anyone would tell you 275,000 Yen won't go far in Tokyo.
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and then live somewhere you want to live? |
Usually you take your predecessor's flat and refusing that might look bad. However, I guess you have the right to choose your own (paying your key money etc!). I don't really think this plan is so viable anyway. When? On Saturdays and Sundays? After school? |
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dove
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 271 Location: USA/Japan
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not in Japan anymore, but my last years (until 2013) in Tokyo were pretty good financially (500,000 yen a month). I was one of those teachers who strung jobs together at companies, at universities, at community centers, along with private students in my apartment. Yes, it was a lot of commuting, but it was all paid by the companies. I found the students much more motivated than teaching at junior high schools or high schools. I really enjoyed it because I was always seeing different students, there was no team-teaching, and I could prepare most of my own materials and not use those horrible books most school force on students. This wouldn't be for everyone--days could sometimes be long. But again, teaching students who wanted to learn, made up for all the disadvantages. |
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Lamarr
Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Posts: 190
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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As you've got experience teaching at Uni in the UK, if you got an MA in TESOL/Applied Linguistics, you could have a chance of getting a Uni job, though they usually like you to have at least one year of experience at a Uni (often more), and it helps if you have prior experience in Japan, and/or some Japanese language ability. They also like you to have publications.
With a CELTA, you could try the British Council in Tokyo, though they're only advertising for part-timers these days. Again, they like to get people who have experience in Japan (the more the better). They do business and Uni courses, and they like their teachers to have a broad range of types of ESL teaching, including kids.
There are companies and agencies that do Business English, though I get the impression they have moved more towards "casualized" work, where you interview and register with them, then they call you up and dish out classes to you as and when they come up.
JET could be a good option if you still qualify age-wise. Beyond that, there's the "big" eikaiwa and ALT dispatch companies that can at least get you a visa into Japan and a basic wage, from where you could start looking for something better.
I wouldn't worry too much about the age thing. The majority are in their 20s and 30s, but people do come over in their 40s, and there are "old timers" in their 40s and 50s who've settled in Japan. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but what about if you want to live somewhere like Tokyo - JET will put you in the sticks - is it worth it? Couldn't you just work two jobs and then live somewhere you want to live? |
Hey, don't turn your nose up at a rural placement.
One rural JET participant in rural Shikoku opened his doors to other JETS so we could experience country life and he could have company. He had a rice paddy of his own.
My placement was in a small city where there were fewer than 10 foreigners, moslty young women. We all learned Japanese, and one of us is now a Japanese language professor in the U.S.
JET income is good, and there are a lot of subsidies (housing, transport, free lunch) so I had a lot of disposable income for travel. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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TransientTefler wrote: |
275.000 is a great starting wage for these days. JET will also contribute to your Japanese health and pension insurance, unlike a lot of dispatch and eikaiwa outfits. JET does not pay what it used to, but then nobody does. IMO it's still the best way to get started. |
Yes, but what about if you want to live somewhere like Tokyo - JET will put you in the sticks - is it worth it? Couldn't you just work two jobs and then live somewhere you want to live?[/quote]
If you want to be in Japan FT, then JET is good and bad. My sticking point with it, is the Sept start/end period. As that puts you in bad spot for when you leave JET. You're out of the peak hiring season |
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