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Teaching English in China before grad school?
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isitts



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote:
Why would one or two years between undergraduate school and grad school raise eyebrows?

rafterman23 wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone. I have talked to a few of my professors here at university; they have said that taking gap years / traveling…longer than two years would start to raise some eyebrows.

They said longer than two years. And it was in reference to gap years...spent overseas (like, aimlessly wandering), not working in general.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isitts wrote:

So, it was quite a few variables, which is why I say you probably shouldn’t worry. But I do think it’s good advice to determine before leaving for China that it’s only going to be for one year, two years max. Before you get lost in that forest.


Well I can't really make this decision. I'm kind of going on the "wait to see how it is when I get there" kind of thing, thinking if I like it, I'll stay, if I don't, I'll go, simple as that. Might be naive, who knows~~

OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote:

Why would one or two years between undergraduate school and grad school raise eyebrows? In the States, it is very common for students to work for a few years before going to grad school.


The thing is though I wouldn't be taking time off to work in my field. It is working, but not in engineering. The sense I got from professors was indeed (like others said) that admissions people would start to feel that I'd "lost touch" if I was away for more than two years.

I think someone said something too about recent grads having no experience; I have two internships under my belt (and pretty good internships too), and these professors I have mentioned are my rec letter writers and they are aware of my wanderlust situation.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an FYI on the experience if you are not aware of it.

The recent changes were for two years of relevant experience to teach English. I think many on this board, certainly including myself, would not have been able to come to China had this been true before.

For subject teachers it is five years. However, I have not heard of this being strictly enforced. My assumption is that the employer submits the application as an English teacher, which in reality is what you are reduced(?) to doing in class most of the time anyways.

However, for non ESL positions I have seen that the five year requirement can be much more enforced, mostly at the Bureau of Labor end. I would think this is political so companies are cajoled into hiring native Chinese.

I would like to add that I am now living in my eleventh country, but spent more time in China than anywhere else. Not sure why as many things about the country and its people frustrated and infuriated me to the point where I would get these little hyperventilation attacks during the last three years.

Still, I may one day go back if they simplified the visa process, did something about the pollution and raised wages. If you want to do it, all the power to you. I would just suggest don't become so focused on the Middle Kingdom and all the hoops you have to get through to get there that you lose sight of the fact that there is a whole world of opportunities awaiting you.
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abkeck



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I can't speak to Engineering specifically, but I graduated with a degree in Cognitive Science in May and faced the same kind of dilemmas you're going through. As you can probably guess from the fact that I'm posting on this forum, I decided to teach in China, then pursue graduate school. And I'm really glad I did (and, to brag, I did get into the grad-school I wanted). If you've got the wanderlust I say go for it. Grad-school's not going anywhere.

Note: I did not have teaching experience before applying, and still managed to talk my way into a job at a university in Wuhan. The pay wasn't great, but I picked up some choice tutoring gigs on the side with no problem. So the money is there, one way or another.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rafterman23 wrote:
isitts wrote:

So, it was quite a few variables, which is why I say you probably shouldn’t worry. But I do think it’s good advice to determine before leaving for China that it’s only going to be for one year, two years max. Before you get lost in that forest.


Well I can't really make this decision. I'm kind of going on the "wait to see how it is when I get there" kind of thing, thinking if I like it, I'll stay, if I don't, I'll go, simple as that. Might be naive, who knows~~

That's fine. Perhaps the word "determine" is too strong a word. But just have some idea beforehand. How's that sound? Smile Like, in terms of the big picture, I mean. Obviously, there's only so much you can plan before you really know anything about the place. So, in that sense, yeah, you have to see when you get there. But keep the big picture in mind. That's all I'm suggesting.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

abkeck wrote:
Well, I can't speak to Engineering specifically, but I graduated with a degree in Cognitive Science in May and faced the same kind of dilemmas you're going through. As you can probably guess from the fact that I'm posting on this forum, I decided to teach in China, then pursue graduate school. And I'm really glad I did (and, to brag, I did get into the grad-school I wanted). If you've got the wanderlust I say go for it. Grad-school's not going anywhere.

Note: I did not have teaching experience before applying, and still managed to talk my way into a job at a university in Wuhan. The pay wasn't great, but I picked up some choice tutoring gigs on the side with no problem. So the money is there, one way or another.


How're you finding Wuhan?
Seems to be the next big thing in China. The British have just opened a consulate there and I believe a British Council office is planned. This could lead to a demand for IELTS examiners.
U of Wuhan has just advanced to Number 3 on the national rankings, so hardly a backwater.
Former student of mine is working for the British Consulate and seems to be enjoying Wuhan.
PS I think Wuhan is sister city to Manchester UK.
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