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rocket man
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I just went through this process here in Texas and this is what I did:
1)I went down to where I went to graduate school and got a new diploma and had it notarized by the university. I initially took an older diploma and had it notarized as being real at my bank but the Texas Secretary of State office refused to accept it for an apostille saying the university had to notarize it. Good news was I was able to get my school to expedite a new copy of my diploma in like a day and was able to pick it up. Cost was like $15
2) Went to Texas Secretary of State's office here in Austin and got an apostille attached. Cost was $15 and took like 15 minutes
3) Followed the instructions from the Chinese Consulate office in Houston to get it authenticated meaning fill out a form, make copies of the diploma, notarization and apostille along with a copy of my passport.
4) Took all of this to an agency here in Austin who for $100(they cut me a break of $25 since I'm also having the visa processed) and they sent it on to Houston and back took like a week. Consulate does not take mailed in requests nor will they send it back to you, unless I wanted to make the 300 mile round trip drive twice the only way to do this was by using an agent. Took about a week to get this done
5) When I got everything back, I scanned the diploma, notarization, apostille and consultate stamp and emailed it to my school. They told me this was fine.
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Location: The real world
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| rocket man wrote: |
| went down to where I went to graduate school and got a new diploma and had it notarized by the university. I initially took an older diploma and had it notarized as being real at my bank but the Texas Secretary of State office refused to accept it for an apostille saying the university had to notarize it. |
FYI: It's technically an authentication certificate, not an apostille; China is not a signatory of the Hague Convention. (See US Office of Authentications.) |
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Tazz
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
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Location: Jakarta
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| Guangxi is not enforcing this bureaucratic procedure.....yet! |
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Mike E
Joined: 06 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Tazz wrote: |
One way to avoid the 'authentication' crap is to go with a Uni/ College/ School in a province that isn't enforcing this rule yet-I had 2 offers of roughly the same pay/benefits....when I found out the job in province 1 required authentication I went with job in province 2. I'm too old and jaded to deal with more bureaucracy than I have to....  |
I've recently been burned in this kind of situation, applying from the U.S. A recruiter in Guangdong Province told me that the new requirements weren't being enforced there yet and so weren't worth worrying about. Then, only after a lot of the time that I could have been using to get the degree authentication had already passed, he contacted me to say not only that I should in fact get it done, but also that he himself was not sure how I'd have to do it, so I should go figure it out for myself online. |
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jaybet3
Joined: 15 Dec 2010
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Location: Indonesia
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:43 am Post subject: |
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I had a similar situation. I am an American citizen living as a resident in Indonesia. I was first told by the agent of the school that the "Foreign Expert Bureau"(FEB) told them that I could go to the Embassy in Jakarta and process my Z visa. Now, the "FEB (aka LOL) told the agent that since the visa issuing place is USA I need to have the visa processed at an embassy in the states. So, I'll use a service I've found on the internet and get it done that way.
Also, the agent for the school told me my diploma didn't need to be authenticated for that school but I went and did it anyhow figuring that it would need to be done sometime in the future.
I've lived in SE Asia for over 10 years and this kind of miscommunication from government agencies is all too common. So, I'm expecting the next shoe to drop where they need an authenticated diploma or a criminal background check from the USA even though I've lived in Indonesia for 8 years.
Anyway, if anyone wants them name of the service I used in America to get my diploma authenticated just PM me. |
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rogerwilco
Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| jaybet3 wrote: |
Anyway, if anyone wants them name of the service I used in America to get my diploma authenticated just PM me. |
Do you mind posting the info here ?
Seems as though you could help more people that way. |
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jaybet3
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Location: Indonesia
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:12 am Post subject: |
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I used a company called Roca Services. They are based in Washington, D.C.
I was very happy with their service. |
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wuliuchiba
Joined: 07 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyone else can recommend any other visa courier services? |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| wuliuchiba wrote: |
| Anyone else can recommend any other visa courier services? |
A visa agent or a document authentication service? If the latter, choose one located in or serving the state where your alma mater is. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
Joined: 02 Jun 2015
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Location: Since 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| wuliuchiba wrote: |
| Anyone else can recommend any other visa courier services? |
In the U.S., I use Travel Document Systems. They serve all or most Chinese consulates in the U.S.. They'll probably be able to tell you what must be done and what is actually being done because they handle the documents. You send them your documents, and they walk them over to the consulate, then pick them up.
Some of the advice I've been reading about authentication is more than suspect.
Find out which consulate's jurisdiction you are in. This may or may not matter. I'm reading some responses here saying that they've gotten servi8ces performed outside of the prescribed jurisdictions.
TDS can probably tell you everything.
I can't give you any personal info because I had my docs authenticated in 2003. I followed every requirement to the T. |
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weigookin74
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| What if you're Canadian? Canada never signed the apostile treaty. The procedure was different in Canada when Korea asked for this stuff. Any Canadians recently do this stuff? |
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mackidrei
Joined: 04 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| weigookin74 wrote: |
| What if you're Canadian? Canada never signed the apostile treaty. The procedure was different in Canada when Korea asked for this stuff. Any Canadians recently do this stuff? |
yes, i just did this.
1. got a notarized copy of my degree from a lawyer.
2. sent in my notarized copy to ottawa to be authenticated. http://www.international.gc.ca/department-ministere/authentication-authentification_documents.aspx?lang=eng
3. then it goes to the consulate for the final sticker of authentication. |
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weigookin74
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Step 2 an extra step from Korea. What do you have to send to be authenticated, just your degree or also an RCMP criminal check? Once you have these things authenticated by the Chinese embassy, then you can apply for jobs in China? Also, how long are they good for? (IE Korea good for six months.) I assume you can also mail these to the Chinese embassy as well. |
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mackidrei
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| Step 2 an extra step from Korea. What do you have to send to be authenticated, just your degree or also an RCMP criminal check? Once you have these things authenticated by the Chinese embassy, then you can apply for jobs in China? Also, how long are they good for? (IE Korea good for six months.) I assume you can also mail these to the Chinese embassy as well. |
just the degree and it isn't a requirement that the cbc be from the rcmp. i just used one from my local police station, although it's canada wide anyway, so same result that you get from an rcmp check. that's as of right now. i'm guessing they'll get more specific with cbcs at some point as korea did.
you can apply for jobs before having this done, i know a lot of people that did this without realizing the rule change. they will just ask you to get them, so it speeds up the process if you already have them. obviously if you don't have the right documents at some point, they won't be able to apply for you to legally work.
how long they're good for? no idea, i haven't seen anything concrete on that, aside from for a health check.
you can mail documents in (it just takes longer, especially step 2). you can also have a service do any or all of those 3 steps for you. |
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danshengou
Joined: 17 Feb 2016
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Location: A bizarre overcrowded hole
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| If you are in China, you are probably ok (for now). But if you change to another China job (from within China), it is unclear though if this will trigger the additional authentication hassles or not, even with a letter of release from your employer. But one thing is for sure, if you formally exit China, you will have to redo everything, including the authentications should you decide to come back. So China has essentially now made working there an even bigger pain, along the lines of Saudi. But for those already in China my advice would be to stay at your current job until it is time to formally exit, and then let that be the end of it. |
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