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South African experience in China?
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tigress wrote:
Makes sense...so what constitutes these vocational institutes? I mean I know about the public / private or international schools, the universities and then the language institutes. Stupid question, but how would I identify these vocational schools?


Usually, the name of a vocational (two-year) school will include the word college.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Use search terms like 'Hotel management college China' 'Tourism management college China'.
Others that come to mind as terms:
'Foreign trade college'
'International trade college'

BTW In my experience these colleges are provincial level which means they have no national ranking. Also students are mainly from local province. On the website you will see something like 'Administered by the (province) Education Dept'.
Technology college students are often less motivated about English as they don't see its relevance in getting a job.
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Shanghai Noon



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: South African experience in China? Reply with quote

tigress wrote:


Qualifications:
1. MBA
2. Post graduate diploma Marketing
3. Bachelors: English and Media Majors
4. Celta - completion September

Thank you.


Where did you complete your college degrees? This can make a difference too.
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tigress



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the feedback. I'm considering the options, I'm opting for recruiters at this point.

@Shanghai Noon,

All completed in South Africa. Not online qualifications.
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Shanghai Noon



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid that puts you more firmly in the non-native camp. You might be able to qualify as a business teacher with a MBA, but you will need to find a school that is allowed to employ you in such a capacity. I think the suggestions that you apply at vocational schools are good ones.
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tigress



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will definitely consider those options. Are any of the responses so far from South Africans ? I'd really appreciate feedback on application process from a South African and to China. Thanks again to all who've given advice and support.
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platinum peyote



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those non-native South African English speakers have really ruined things for South Africans who are actual native speakers of English.
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platinum peyote



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shanghai Noon wrote:
I'm afraid that puts you more firmly in the non-native camp.


How so? Most university courses in SA are conducted in English, with the option to do it in Afrikaans if one so desires.
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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but then there are many courses in Thailand, Switzerland, Holland, Germany etc. taught in English. Still doesn't fulfill the Chinese govt's ideas
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fpshangzhou



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, the delusional Chinese lawmakers create these so-called restrictions that don't apply to other countries, such as Korea, Japan, other non-English speaking regions of the world. Don't worry about what job adverts say, China is experiencing a high teacher deficit because of this G-20 summit and their ludicrous ideology in what they perceive as native English speaking countries. Just apply and you'll find something. When in Rome, do as the locals and ignore the rules....

Cheers,

Aaron
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theoriginalprankster



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in China, South African of British descent, have been here 11 years.

My last work permit cost the company RMB15k (so they say. I don't believe them, I think they're guilt tripping me).

Apparently we are no longer considered native speakers in mainland China.

Personally I would ditch China and head to Taiwan - better people, resonable pay, slightly less pollution, better people, good transport options, better people and we are considered native speakers there. Oh, did I mention better people?

I will be ditching China soon. It's going to collapse soonish, and I don't want to be the token foreigner who takes the abuse for that. Also, the pollution is hellish in eastern China, and I have no access to nature here in Shanghai.

Taiwan it is. Or maybe another Asian country. So many (better, classier) options besides China.
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tigress



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I see it, these points of contention are more or less the same in the ESL industry across the world. There's no point having a hang up about it, it's really the approach one takes. I've worked in a conservative part of Saudi for 2 years, so racism (from a foreigner) and such won't be new. Going to China really depends on weather I find a decent offer. Thanks again.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice is get applying - you don't have a lot of time.
You see a lot of paralysis by analysis here among China newbes. You need an offer to test against.
Best
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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. If you're set on China you'll find something.

Might be bad hours but you'll never go hungry, it's fairly hard to make 10,000 RMB and not be able to eat.

Just start applying, but my advice is to avoid tier1 cities.

Once you've had a years teaching in China it's easier because the schools will assume there is no problem
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happeningthang



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a Saffa is generally a less desirable nationality for an English teacher in China, but seems to me the job market is undergoing a sustained constriction and there is more demand for teachers than before.

Seth Afreeker is recognised by immigration as an English speaking nation ~ so you qualify for the z visa ~ and that's all that matters.

You can be legally employed and in this market you will get a job without a doubt.

Taiwan (particularly Taipei) has a huge Saffa expat community established well and truly by the white flight that saw them invade Australia, New Zealand and the ESL nations. Plenty of them in Korea too.

All the white ones I've meet are very nice (with one notable exception) but super subtly racist. And let's face it Apartheid still hangs around their necks like a Soweto necklace. It's hard to forget that sheet and deal with them everyday.
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