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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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There's also a biological/genetic factor. DRD4-7r gets grossly oversimplified as 'the wanderlust gene', but while it's far more complicated than 'have gene will travel', it does seem to play a role.
A biological predisposition, or lack of, would go someway to explaining why some people find the idea of extended travel unfathomable, when others seem driven to keep moving. |
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BadBeagleBad

Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 1186 Location: 24.18105,-103.25185
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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HLJHLJ wrote: |
There's also a biological/genetic factor. DRD4-7r gets grossly oversimplified as 'the wanderlust gene', but while it's far more complicated than 'have gene will travel', it does seem to play a role.
A biological predisposition, or lack of, would go someway to explaining why some people find the idea of extended travel unfathomable, when others seem driven to keep moving. |
Along with that, I think people who are curious and like to learn and try new things would be more comfortable than people who always consider the US "home" no matter how long the live somewhere else. |
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HLJHLJ
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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That's a good point BBB, and some researchers have argued that DRD4-7r is actually much more closely associated with curiosity and novelty-seeking than travel. |
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scot47

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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Certainly looking back on my teenage years and the beginnings of my "Wanderjahre", I remember that most of my agemates in that Scottish High School had ZERO interest in travel ! I was consumed by the desire to experience other societies, languages and cultures. And I did. |
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Hod
Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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HLJHLJ wrote: |
the idea of extended travel |
Not heard of DRD4-7r. Do the studies deal with TEFLy-type travellers, i.e. those who stick in one place for a year or so and have to deal with bureaucracy, rental contracts, etc, or backpackers who move on after a few days?
The thought of a year backpacking and spending three days or so in one tourist zone before going on to the next tourist zone brings me out in a cold sweat. You'd literally lose the plot, remembering nothing except days spent on buses or trains, checking into another hostel, packing and unpacking, losing socks, getting malaria and meeting Stefan and Sven from Stuttgart.
I have nothing but respect for people who move abroad and make a go of it. It's hard and stressful but can be very rewarding.
I have zero respect for those who move to their partner's/spouse's country and then blow the trumpet of success. Most people who move abroad like this are perfectly nice, normal and modest. It's just you occasionally meet the odd case who barely had to lift a finger thanks to the inclusive concierge service aka partner/spouse on their way up on to that high horse. These people wouldn't last a month abroad on their own and should consider a little modesty when dealing with others much braver who fight their own battles. |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Hod wrote: |
HLJHLJ wrote: |
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Not heard of DRD4-7r. Do the studies deal with TEFLy-type travellers, i.e. those who stick in one place for a year or so and have to deal with bureaucracy, rental contracts, etc, or backpackers who move on after a few days? |
Neither, it's more about populations. So in general populations that emigrated, or emigrated further have higher incidence rates. In nomadic populations it positively correlates with health, but in populations that were nomadic but have settled it correlates negatively with health. Plus some stuff on attitudes. |
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scot47

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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:20 am Post subject: |
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And there is the question of exogenous or endogenous relationships ! I have always gravitated to exotic women and avoided those from my own land ! |
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HLJHLJ
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
And there is the question of exogenous or endogenous relationships ! I have always gravitated to exotic women and avoided those from my own land ! |
The same genetic variant is also associated with infidelity/promiscuity, but again, it seems to be driven primarily by novelty-seeking. |
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Kowloon
Joined: 11 Jan 2016 Posts: 133
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting discussion. I remember when I was visiting Russia on holdiay our tour guide, who split his time between Baikal in summer and Thailand in the winter, told me that "even before I lived in another country I knew I didn't want to live in Russia".
I felt much the same way. From the age of 15 or so I sort of yearned to live abroad and couldn't really imagine going back now unless it was for a very special job opportunity. |
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scot47

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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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In the end I came back to my native land. A very different part of it ! |
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AmericanAmina
Joined: 15 Dec 2015 Posts: 104 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I've wanted to see new places my whole life. I can enjoy going somewhere for a few days and doing the touristy thing, but I really prefer to stay somewhere for a month or a year or longer and really soak it in. For me, the short trips are like being hungry and having someone hand you a tiny appetizer. I want the full meal.
Apart from that need to travel and see and explore, I think part of what makes some people more suited to living and working abroad is a lack of fear and bias... which translates to being comfortable in new places and cultures that you may not understand. Once you actually live in their context, many of their habits and social constructs start to make more sense, and you can relate to them better. But if you're too scared of things you don't understand or if you have that conscious or unconscious belief that you are somehow superior to this other culture and are graciously lowering yourself to their level, you're not going to enjoy the experience. They aren't going to enjoy you much either. |
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scot47

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Only recently have I become aware of the extent of xenophobia in my native Scotland. I had always assumed others were as I am - a xenophile. In fact my condition is pathological and bordering on a psychosis.
People here do not like outsiders. Especially the ones who speak in foreign tongues. |
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cartago
Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 283 Location: Iraq
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I'm a bit unusual in that I had traveled abroad only a handful of times until the age of 25 and now I've lived abroad for about 10 years. I definitely don't have the genetic background for it. My mother has never left North America and my father just goes to resorts in the Caribbean. My grandparents rarely left their own state even.
I've been here for the past 3 years and know practically no other western people. All my friends here are local. I'm not trying to avoid westerners, I mean I jump at the chance to meet them just to have a conversation with someone else from abroad for awhile. I just don't seem to be able to meet other expats besides one-time occasions.
I think most of them are working in aid organizations or schools and I'm working in the media now and I'm the only westerner where I work. If I see them out somewhere they're with other people and it's awkward to approach them.
There are a lot of things I miss about home and it would be better to not work in such a culturally isolating place. I think I might go crazy without the internet but I can definitely tolerate working here and living long-term. When I visit home there are things I miss about here.
At the same time, I think about moving back sometimes. Ideally I'd like to split my time between both places but I don't know if that's really possible. It would be tough to get that to work. |
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AmericanAmina
Joined: 15 Dec 2015 Posts: 104 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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cartago wrote: |
I think most of them are working in aid organizations or schools and I'm working in the media now and I'm the only westerner where I work. If I see them out somewhere they're with other people and it's awkward to approach them. |
Can I be nosy? What kind of work do you do with the media? Are you bilingual? I thought it might be fun to work as a writer or doing English voice-over for the tv networks here in UAE, but the only work I've seen available in print or video media either one is pretty much exclusively for people who are English/Arabic bilingual. |
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cartago
Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 283 Location: Iraq
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:01 am Post subject: |
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AmericanAmina wrote: |
cartago wrote: |
I think most of them are working in aid organizations or schools and I'm working in the media now and I'm the only westerner where I work. If I see them out somewhere they're with other people and it's awkward to approach them. |
Can I be nosy? What kind of work do you do with the media? Are you bilingual? I thought it might be fun to work as a writer or doing English voice-over for the tv networks here in UAE, but the only work I've seen available in print or video media either one is pretty much exclusively for people who are English/Arabic bilingual. |
I work as an editor. Articles are translated and I put them into a more polished English. Sometimes I'll do voice-over too if there's something that's too long to subtitle. I'm not bilingual and it's not required for this job.
I like it better than teaching but of course the hours in teaching and holidays are much better.
Maybe you could try to contact media organizations directly rather than looking for ads. I didn't find this job through an ad. |
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