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rogerwilco
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| thomas_pynchon wrote: |
| Thanks for those ideas, what I could do then, is make an offer - Zvisa before I leave, accommodation included, some amount of holiday pay - in addition to what they have proposed already, the work itself seems not bad. |
Most Chinese are not that flexible.
"Take it or leave it" is more typical.
Not all Chinese schools can provide a Z visa.
Maybe that is why they are trying to ask you to enter on an L visa.
Good luck, and be very careful.
I think you are wasting your time with this one. |
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thatsforsure
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
Most Chinese are not that flexible. |
Most Chinese what are not that flexible? |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:58 am Post subject: |
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OP, it sounds even worse now mate. Forget about the salary and manageable workload, it's not worth the risk/hassle/worry!
There are plenty of jobs out there with legitimate schools/companies who will guarantee your Z-Visa/Residence Permit.
You need to remember that if things go wrong (which could easily happen in this case) you will be well and truly on your own!
Anyway others have posted similar warnings so no need to go on.
If you really must take this offer please keep this thread going to let us know how it went either way.
Good luck to you! |
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thomas_pynchon
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Thanks for all of those insights, thats been really helpful.
Just looking through the job board, how does something like this look: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/index.cgi?read=44448
Seems that they offer a similar service to students, and the 'package' is just a lump sum, 25k yuan. |
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twowheel
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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apropos...
OP, if you are still considering the offer, take a look at another recent post, an example of one who was not working on an initial Z visa:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=1260338#1260338
Good luck in your continued job search.
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Chopin16
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| If the OP has worked at intl schools over 10 years and has an MA then why would he take a 25500 RMB salary with a partial flat allowance? A proper proper intl school would pay 40,000 RMB to a teacher with 10 years experience in Shanghai PLUS free accommodation. Of course there are schools who call themselves international schools but they aren't real proper ones that pay the buck. |
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CHINOISE
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I don't know anyone paying less than 6500 for a two bedroom. I pay 7500 for a one bedroom just inside city limits. It's nice, but it's tofu building like any here. Would probably cost a million US to buy, so the rent seems reasonable. I've been here 3 years and seen a 15 percent drop in salary based on currency devaluation and it's predicted to continue south. Add to that the inflation on everything is not gonna stop.
The money is typical for your MA and 25 hours per week. I would probably shoot for 20k for 20 hours or less, so you have enough energy to live a normal life.
The real thing to consider is your health. The homes here don't offer significant protection from the outside pollution, and you'll probably have to sleep with a mask on if you want to wake up without a sore throat when it's bad outside like it is today. In fact, you'll ultimately have to buy a couple filtration systems and A LOT of filters during the winter.
The bottom line is it's becoming almost impossible to hire anyone with any degree to stay here more than a couple years.
Anyway, I would try to find something with less hours, so you can remain healthy and stay here longer than the 6 months in the contract.
As far as health care, you'll be paying US prices for health care equivalent to what you'd get in the west, and Chinese health insurance only covers the low tier health providers. |
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Chopin16
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| health care is the same as the US or health insurance is the same as the US? How much is health insurance in China then and can you get away with not paying it and get your own worldwide health insurance from a western company? |
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thomas_pynchon
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Thats much appreciated folks, and Chinoise, very good points, I'm already reconsidering Beijing. I had no idea the pollution was that bad, sleep with a mask, that's news to me. |
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Chopin16
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| Sleep with a mask? Why do you all work in China then if there is so much pollution? It's dangerous to your health. |
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creeper1
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I stand corrected on a few things. What I'm hearing from asking around is that a two bedroom apartment in zhonguancun would cost about 8 thousand a month. So op you would be most likely doing some commuting.
As for pollution, Beijing is world famous for its very bad air quality. I can't believe anyone wouldn't know that.
Why do we work in China? Probably because it's the worlds biggest market for tefl.
I can't stick this though. I really feel I'm out of here come spring festival 2017. |
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Chopin16
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| The worlds biggest market? What about other countries? What about Korea, Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia? There is a lot of work in those countries too. I never knew Beijing was polluted until I came to Asia. Never heard it at all. It isn't anything to write home about the TEFL salaries in China is it? University positions paying 5000-12000 a month for example. Language schools paying 12000-18000 per month? Is that lots and lots of money? NO |
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joe30
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| Chopin16 wrote: |
| The worlds biggest market? What about other countries? What about Korea, Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia? There is a lot of work in those countries too. I never knew Beijing was polluted until I came to Asia. Never heard it at all. It isn't anything to write home about the TEFL salaries in China is it? University positions paying 5000-12000 a month for example. Language schools paying 12000-18000 per month? Is that lots and lots of money? NO |
Only in very few industries do entry level jobs pay 'lots and lots of money'. And of those small few that do pay lots of money, almost all require crazy amounts of hours and quite frankly, an intelligence and work ethic that is beyond most people (and yeah, if you're teaching, I'm afraid you're one of those 'most people' since it's not an industry the truly elite get into).
Get qualified to teach K-12 and there's 20000RMB net+accomodation on the table at the low end. Perhaps not 'lots of money', but that would place you above the average net salary in all Western countries, and that's before we even talk about cost of living. That salary will rise with experience and you'll get much more if you make it into leadership roles.
Of course entry level ESL pays crap. Entry level jobs pay crap back home too. |
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twowheel
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| Chopin16 wrote: |
| The worlds biggest market? What about other countries? What about Korea, Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia? There is a lot of work in those countries too. I never knew Beijing was polluted until I came to Asia. Never heard it at all. It isn't anything to write home about the TEFL salaries in China is it? University positions paying 5000-12000 a month for example. Language schools paying 12000-18000 per month? Is that lots and lots of money? NO |
Lots of side money to be made here. Lots of opportunities to do other things with the right contacts. As written above, China is the world's largest TESOL market...full stop. There's much more here than just university positions and training school gigs. Life is most certainly interesting here. For now, I'll take China over K-land, Japan, the UAE, and Saudi con or sin pollution.
Just as a former poster from waaaaaay back in the day (khmerhit) here on the dave's used to say about heading to Cambodia, I shall shamelessly steal his words and say that now about China...try it and see.
Pony up, cowboy!
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twowheel
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| joe30 wrote: |
Only in very few industries do entry level jobs pay 'lots and lots of money'. And of those small few that do pay lots of money, almost all require crazy amounts of hours and quite frankly, an intelligence and work ethic that is beyond most people (and yeah, if you're teaching, I'm afraid you're one of those 'most people' since it's not an industry the truly elite get into).
Get qualified to teach K-12 and there's 20000RMB net+accomodation on the table at the low end. Perhaps not 'lots of money', but that would place you above the average net salary in all Western countries, and that's before we even talk about cost of living. That salary will rise with experience and you'll get much more if you make it into leadership roles.
Of course entry level ESL pays crap. Entry level jobs pay crap back home too. |
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