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nomad soul
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| Employers are likely to look beyond the passport and notice that you are a native 'merican speaker (be sure it's prominently displayed on your CV and all other documents). |
Good point. Maybe state it as something like "U.S. born, native English speaker" to emphasize that point. |
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mitsui
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Well Hod,
I would say if the OP had a MA TESOL from the US, UK, etc.
it would look good. I knew people who did this and were non-native speakers from Finland and they did manage to get decent work.
So for Japan at least, it is possible.
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Hod
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:55 am Post subject: |
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That's more like it, a diversity of responses instead of the five or so negative ME-related posts above which repeat themselves in this thread and others (and should be in a sticky or in the ME forum). |
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santi84
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Hod wrote: |
That's more like it, a diversity of responses instead of the five or so negative ME-related posts above which repeat themselves in this thread and others (and should be in a sticky or in the ME forum). |
Is that really fair, Hod? The OP had questions about the ME and we answered them, along with follow-up questions. The discussion wouldn't have gone that far had OP not questioned why regarding open degrees, transfer credits, and so on. |
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Elicit
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| mitsui wrote: |
Well Hod,
I would say if the OP had a MA TESOL from the US, UK, etc.
it would look good. I knew people who did this an were non-native speakers from Finland and they did manage to get decent work.
So for Japan at least, it is possible. |
Change Northern European for Eastern European and ditto China.
Although not directly applicable to the OP, there are as many, if not more L2 users of English doing MA TESOL at U.K. universities than 'native speakers' nowadays. |
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Hod
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Is that really fair, Hod? |
If my negativity comment were aimed at you, then it would have been highly unfair, but your advice, even when it's not offering good news, comes across as more considerate and professional.
Others seem to have this schadenfreude. We'll all have long since established an OP lacks qualifications for a certain position, usually in the Middle East, but then come the further negatives such as they'll have to pay all visa costs or submit umpteen forms. I don't see any compassion or desire to help in certain posters' replies.
I could go on to mention the pluckiness displayed by certain OPs. They're going it alone to unknown lands with no help from anyone. Others on here have had oodles of help from spouses, ensuring an easy transition into their host countries. These people seem to be the first to offer advice on here, and it's often the most negative.
Plenty of posters, though, have gone it alone, and I notice their advice is delivered with more understanding and respect, as if they appreciate the initial hardships of life in a new country. So I'd much rather see a lot more of posters such as mitsui, santi84 and spiral78 on such threads, please. |
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mitsui
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:23 am Post subject: |
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I do remember people from Finland, Korea, Brazil and Poland who studied in the US, got a MA, and then got good jobs in Japan.
Perhaps they had to take a test to prove their competency but they did.
Japan has become more competitive but anyone with an advanced degree can compete with anyone at universities, especially if these people publish more. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Won't an authenticated birth certificate prove your place of birth? |
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mitsui
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| Exactly. Good idea. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| Won't an authenticated birth certificate prove your place of birth? |
The OP's Swedish passport indicates his US birth, and he spent his k-12 years and early adulthood in the States before renouncing his US citizenship. But that's not the main issue. His dilemma is meeting the employment visa/immigration regulations of countries that have very specific passport and/or degree requirements. Unfortunately, that includes some of the countries he's interested in. |
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alexESL
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Well i wrote a response but my new mouse has an odd tendency to magically push the “back” button for no reason so I lost it all.
I got away from this thread for a while but wanted to come back and check the later replies and thank you all for your input.
I am a bit discouraged by the fact that I won’t be able to teach easily in the Middle East. At the same time I hope that at some point in the future the Arabs will see through their culture bias against online degrees and international jet-setters and hopefully open the door for me. From all the research I’ve done there isn’t a government requirement for any of that, it’s just the general consensus of the schools themselves. Of course the only reason I would go to the middle east is for the money, I guess this means I shouldn’t be so greedy. Lol
China and SK seem to be out (as I suspected) but I was offered 2 decent paying jobs in China with just an associates degree. It wasn’t a legal work visa but I literally had the job offers within 10 minutes of sending my CV into the recruiter…
Japan is a bright spot, which is awesome. An online degree isn’t a total “no-go” (online or in-class is mostly irrelevant from my understanding) and my native english education will count for something. I know there is a lot of competition to go to japan, but I’m sure I’ll find something.
I was glad to read that I could also go to hong kong. From what I've understood the competition is much harder than even Japan, but more options is always good. I'm looking to experience the world.
The EU is also pretty awesome. No work visas. No paperwork other than whatever work contract I have. Transport between the countries is also dirt cheap. I could teach in CZ one year, Germany the next, and just move around Europe, experiencing each nation for a year. I believe that would be an experience I would never regret. (Trying to plan my life so that when I'm old I look back and am glad over how many things I did, instead of regretting how I did so little.) Currently living in Sweden, so the EU may be my first stop, just to try it on for size.
Places like Cambodia and thailand I’m sure are open to me one way or another. Not that anyone goes there for the money.
Vietnam is a country I’d be interested in. The 3-month period where you can work without a work-visa is something I’ll definitely use, assuming it still exists…
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alexESL
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| mitsui wrote: |
I do remember people from Finland, Korea, Brazil and Poland who studied in the US, got a MA, and then got good jobs in Japan.
Perhaps they had to take a test to prove their competency but they did.
Japan has become more competitive but anyone with an advanced degree can compete with anyone at universities, especially if these people publish more. |
Excellent. If they can do it, then I certainly can. Japan is basically the place I would want to go in Asia.
Does anyone have any information on Taiwan? |
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alexESL
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| spiral78 wrote: |
The EU is the glowing rosy bright spot in your picture, OP. Your citizenship will not be a problem, employers are likely to look beyond the passport and notice that you are a native 'merican speaker (be sure it's prominently displayed on your CV and all other documents), and they won't care about the online components of your education.
Downside is that good jobs (universities, DOS/teacher trainer at private schools, and international school gigs) are relatively rare, and are usually found through networking,
In any case, PM sent. |
Hello, I never did get a PM, maybe my settings are wrong or maybe you just never ended up sending it. Anyway, let me know. |
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spiral78
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I knew of a very decent job opening that might have fitted, but it was filled several weeks back. |
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alexESL
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| I knew of a very decent job opening that might have fitted, but it was filled several weeks back. |
Oh, well that's a shame :/ I couldn't really have taken it at the moment anyway, my mother is rather sick and I'm with her here in Sweden. But I appreciate the intent.
I'm intending to finish my BA, possibly getting a CELTA, and then getting a job in the EU or Japan (or maybe I'll be adventerous and work in China on whatever visa they give me...lol) |
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