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scot47
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Dashengou
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sicklyman
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| Well, 10k is nothing to smile about in 2017, and certainly nothing to move to Saudi for. Any idea what they were paying 20 years ago? |
There's no one-size-fits-all salary; it's based on qualifications/verified previous teaching experience. |
As an illustration, three years ago, I and some colleagues had lunch with a British guy (with a related MA) who'd spent 8 years at KFUPM. He was moaning about the pay and how it was expensive to spend the summers in the UK where they didn't have any property to stay in.
When we asked how much he was earning, we thought he said "thirty" and didn't think he had much to complain about.
"No," he interjected, "ThirTEEN!"
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danshengou
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| sicklyman wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
| danshengou wrote: |
| Well, 10k is nothing to smile about in 2017, and certainly nothing to move to Saudi for. Any idea what they were paying 20 years ago? |
There's no one-size-fits-all salary; it's based on qualifications/verified previous teaching experience. |
As an illustration, three years ago, I and some colleagues had lunch with a British guy (with a related MA) who'd spent 8 years at KFUPM. He was moaning about the pay and how it was expensive to spend the summers in the UK where they didn't have any property to stay in.
When we asked how much he was earning, we thought he said "thirty" and didn't think he had much to complain about.
"No," he interjected, "ThirTEEN!"
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This is exactly the situation I was talking about earlier. Without any OT, and no property to stay at back home, one has to find a cheap place to meander. This might suit some and not others.
And while 13k is better than 10k, it's still very low for those qualifications. At least 20k plus quality, secure housing and 3-4 months off, might get me to consider it. |
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currentaffairs
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| 13k would be at the low end of the scale. With experience you can earn a few thousand more. |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| currentaffairs wrote: |
| 13k would be at the low end of the scale. With experience you can earn a few thousand more. |
Is this a new salary scale? It was stated that an MA + 8 years at KFUPM equated to 13k. |
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hash
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| danshengou wrote: |
| At least 20k plus quality, secure housing and 3-4 months off, might get me to consider it. |
As an Assistant/Associate/Full professor of Chemical, Computer or Petroleum engineering and similar technical fields plus a history of recognized publications, you'll get that salary - at least - your first year. Plus 1st class travel back and forth on any airline you choose. The list of benefits for the properly qualified and experienced is endless.....paid travel to conferences (world-wide), reduced teaching load, guaranteed yearly salary increases.....outstanding collegial professional interactions..... Think MIT, CALTECH, UC-Berkeley. And so on.
As a lowly ESL teacher?? Keep dreaming.
You might have made SAR 20 thou/monthly back in the "good ol' days" (late 70s, 80s, 90s) working at a military base/ARAMCO, but the benefits were usually zero. It was in and out in a couple of years....if you could last that long. And you had to work your tail off for them kinda bucks......it was heart attack city pure and simple. Forget academic "repartee".
There's simply no comparison (if you know what you're talking about). A uni job - and especially a KFUPM job with its tempting views of Bahrain - even for a lowly ESL teacher - was and largely still remains the best gig going - Gulf-wide - for a half-serious ESL teacher........again.......if you know what you're talking about, a rather rare qualification these days, I would say.
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currentaffairs
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| danshengou wrote: |
| currentaffairs wrote: |
| 13k would be at the low end of the scale. With experience you can earn a few thousand more. |
Is this a new salary scale? It was stated that an MA + 8 years at KFUPM equated to 13k. |
The salary scale is obtuse and no one quite knows how it is all worked out. With 10 years of experience and above you can add some thousands to your quoted figures. For teachers with less experience you might be about right.. |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| hash wrote: |
| danshengou wrote: |
| At least 20k plus quality, secure housing and 3-4 months off, might get me to consider it. |
As an Assistant/Associate/Full professor of Chemical, Computer or Petroleum engineering and similar technical fields plus a history of recognized publications, you'll get that salary - at least - your first year. Plus 1st class travel back and forth on any airline you choose. The list of benefits for the properly qualified and experienced is endless.....paid travel to conferences (world-wide), reduced teaching load, guaranteed yearly salary increases.....outstanding collegial professional interactions..... Think MIT, CALTECH, UC-Berkeley. And so on.
As a lowly ESL teacher?? Keep dreaming.
You might have made SAR 20 thou/monthly back in the "good ol' days" (late 70s, 80s, 90s) working at a military base/ARAMCO, but the benefits were usually zero. It was in and out in a couple of years....if you could last that long. And you had to work your tail off for them kinda bucks......it was heart attack city pure and simple. Forget academic "repartee".
There's simply no comparison (if you know what you're talking about). A uni job - and especially a KFUPM job with its tempting views of Bahrain - even for a lowly ESL teacher - was and largely still remains the best gig going - Gulf-wide - for a half-serious ESL teacher........again.......if you know what you're talking about, a rather rare qualification these days, I would say.
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I know they wouldn't pay that to a lowly TEFLer, but just saying that's what they'd have to pay me to go there. Everyone has their price, which may or may not be the market price. No way I would go there for 13k, but some other TEFLers obviously would. |
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hash
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| danshengou wrote: |
I know they wouldn't pay that to a lowly TEFLer, but just saying that's what they'd have to pay me to go there. Everyone has their price, which may or may not be the market price. No way I would go there for 13k, but some other TEFLers obviously would. |
Fine. But realize that by sticking to your demands, you're totally pricing yourself out of the KSA ESL market - to the point I suggest you forget about seeking an ESL job in KSA, assuming you're in the market to begin with.
True, you might find an ESL teaching job paying around what you want....which amounts (including housing) to around USD80,000/year. (I know 3-4 guys earning in that range, so I know it can happen). Tax free too, let's not forget. But with 3-4 months off a year?? No way.
No employer is going to pay you those kind of wages and then let you go on paid vacation for 1/3 of a year to "recoup". A guy working on a rig handling those massive steel pipes and chains on a daily basis might get that. An ESL teacher? Not a chance. Not even the US Ambassador to the Saudi Royal Court gets that much time off at taxpayers' expense per year.
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| danshengou wrote: |
| At least 20k plus quality, secure housing and 3-4 months off, might get me to consider it. |
I see a future unreal conditional in that statement.  |
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| danshengou wrote: |
| currentaffairs wrote: |
| 13k would be at the low end of the scale. With experience you can earn a few thousand more. |
Is this a new salary scale? It was stated that an MA + 8 years at KFUPM equated to 13k. |
don't forget to add that my information dated from 2013. Salaries will have remained almost static since and may even have fallen with all the financial uncertainty related to the (self-imposed) drop in oil prices.
20K at KFUPM to start off with is dreaming.
Just waiting to see what the salaries are for those Haka contracted positions with the Maritime Academy to see just how far things have deteriorated since Saudi Aramco last did interviews three years ago. |
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In the heat of the moment
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| sicklyman wrote: |
| danshengou wrote: |
| currentaffairs wrote: |
| 13k would be at the low end of the scale. With experience you can earn a few thousand more. |
Is this a new salary scale? It was stated that an MA + 8 years at KFUPM equated to 13k. |
don't forget to add that my information dated from 2013. Salaries will have remained almost static since and may even have fallen with all the financial uncertainty related to the (self-imposed) drop in oil prices.
20K at KFUPM to start off with is dreaming.
Just waiting to see what the salaries are for those Haka contracted positions with the Maritime Academy to see just how far things have deteriorated since Saudi Aramco last did interviews three years ago. |
(my bolding)
That depends on which currency you measure the salaries in. |
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bigdurian
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| In the heat of the moment wrote: |
| sicklyman wrote: |
| danshengou wrote: |
| currentaffairs wrote: |
| 13k would be at the low end of the scale. With experience you can earn a few thousand more. |
Is this a new salary scale? It was stated that an MA + 8 years at KFUPM equated to 13k. |
don't forget to add that my information dated from 2013. Salaries will have remained almost static since and may even have fallen with all the financial uncertainty related to the (self-imposed) drop in oil prices.
20K at KFUPM to start off with is dreaming.
Just waiting to see what the salaries are for those Haka contracted positions with the Maritime Academy to see just how far things have deteriorated since Saudi Aramco last did interviews three years ago. |
(my bolding)
That depends on which currency you measure the salaries in. |
Very true, if you are British, you got a15% pay rise in June 23rd last year. |
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Ferto
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Although this is focusing on KSA, the best GCC gigs appear to be in either UAE or Qatar.
UAEU sits at around 20K plus all the trimmings and about 14 weeks. Of course, it is being phased out, but there are positions that pop up there.
Then there is CNAQ in Qatar, which has 100K plus salaries plus trimmings, stacks of time off, and opportunities to make extra.
These are rare examples now, though. |
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Ferto
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| Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| The UAEU number is in AED and the CNAQ one is in CDN. |
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