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suphanburi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014 Posts: 916
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:35 am Post subject: |
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In my experience with post grad credentials and working in the Asian context I would suggest that the OP spend a couple of years working at lower ranked universities gaining some classroom experience and lecture time.
As you gain experience parlay your network into better jobs.
If you have not been working on your network then prepare to get bottle-necked into a corner from which there is little upward movement. It is all about who you know and who knows you. Connections ARE needed.
Additionally, add some localized or regional conference presentations to your CV. These are usually pretty easy to get into and allow for publication of presenters work in their proceedings (tick the box for publications).
Most decent lectureship positions will require 2-5 years of post grad experience AND some publications in legitimate peer reviewed journals in your field. Anything leading to a position with a ranking as a professor (rather than lecturer) will require that or more just to get in.
If you want to get into better high schools rather than tertiary education then certification as a teacher is in your near future (in spite of having a PhD). ALL decent high schools (IB/CIE/etc.) will require it. Not having it will relegate you to entry level EFL type jobs or lower tier "Inters" with matching low remuneration packages.
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Western East
Joined: 03 Dec 2016 Posts: 9
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Appreciate all the helpful and considered responses.
nomad soul, I'm willing to consider remaining in China for longer if it's the best place to find university jobs, but to be honest, I'd prefer to go elsewhere if I could. China's air quality has been a bit of a put-off. I'll certainly check out those links you mentioned.
Elicit, i've heard of EAP before. Not sure how one begins to get into that specialised field though. I've come across one of the UK universitities with a campus in China (Nottingham was it?), but I feel like that might be a bit out of my reach currently. Thanks for being willing to consider me at your place of work for any future openings though.
HLJHLJ, taikibansei and suphanburi, all the points you've made about the need for building up a stronger research and lecturing profile rings true. I've not yet built up enough academic publications or university teaching experience to be a serious contender for university roles. It appears I will need to spend another few years trying to get some publications under my belt and building up as much university-level teaching experience as I can. Also, conferencing will be needed to build up networks and increase opportunities as suphanburi says. Basically, I'll need to get back into the world of academia and start working my way up. Work on getting my thesis or parts of it published, take whatever university teaching roles I can find, reconnect with my former supervisors and sign up for conferences again. Could take a while for it to pay off, but that is probably my best way forward. The alternatives would be to undergo teacher training and obtain a teaching qualification, or be willing to accept lower-level TEFL jobs for the foreseeable future.
Thank you, everyone, for clarifying my options on a way forward. I think it's been helpful reading all your recommendations. |
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CKM
Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Posts: 74
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Western East wrote: |
i've heard of EAP before. Not sure how one begins to get into that specialised field though. I've come across one of the UK universitities with a campus in China (Nottingham was it?), but I feel like that might be a bit out of my reach currently. |
University of Nottingham, Ningbo might indeed be a bit out of your reach currently, but you never know. As for getting into EAP, I think the best/easiest way would be to do a summer pre-sessional back in the UK. Virtually every uni has them (many with multiple courses) and they need teachers. There are always teachers on these courses with no EAP experience...everyone has to start off somewhere to get that experience...and you tend to get varied teaching backgrounds. Your academic background could be very attractive for many places. I think, however, that teaching qualifications like an MA TESOL, Delta etc. are becoming the norm now, so for the future, I think you should invest in some formal qualifications (if you want to take the ELT route long-term).
Western East wrote: |
I'm willing to consider remaining in China for longer if it's the best place to find university jobs, but to be honest, I'd prefer to go elsewhere if I could. China's air quality has been a bit of a put-off. |
It does seem to be one of the best places, but I'd be inclined to look out for the UK/international partnership gigs - they tend to have a more EAP orientated approach. I don't think I can plug other websites here, but if you check around regularly online, you'll see these openings being advertised. There's no avoiding the air pollution issue.
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The alternatives would be to undergo teacher training and obtain a teaching qualification... |
At least a CELTA (or equivalent) |
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Elicit
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 244
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Everything CKM notes above, and also remember that the Chinese market is not flooded with people holding the academic qualifications you do (3 related degrees), so if you opt to stay in China don't sell yourself short and accept anything less than a good beginning at one of these reputable partnerships.
NCUK may have something worth considering for next semester. I think they have multiple partnerships throughout China. Take a look at the job vacancies on their website and revisit occasionally if they interest you and no vacancies are currently listed.
I was wondering where you completed the doctoral studies because I am interested in pursuing a Ph.D. for personal interest in the future. Was it a traditional thesis or modular plus thesis? Would you recommend the institution to other people considering a doctorate? |
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Western East
Joined: 03 Dec 2016 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:56 am Post subject: |
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CKM, yes, I've heard of those university summer programmes and I've actually tried applying for one. And the possibility of needing to do some kind of further teaching qualification further down the line is something I've thought about. So investing in an MA TESOL or DELTA is something I might need to consider, even with my academic background in English Language and Linguistics. I'm not too familiar with a DELTA, is that something you'd only do after obtaining a CELTA certificate? Thanks for the advice!
Elicit, I'll have to do more research into UK/China university partnerships. I'm only aware of the University of Nottingham China campus, but maybe there are others? And I'll message you about the nature of my PhD.
At this point, I don't feel like I can say with certainty yet what level and type of teaching I want to specialise in for the long run, but I think it seems clear that getting more teaching experience is crucial. Maybe after having experienced teaching in a few different settings, I might have a better idea of what type of teaching jobs I should be aiming for and whether I should invest in any further teaching qualifications which will differ depending on the type and level of teaching I want.
Many thanks again, everyone! |
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CKM
Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Posts: 74
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Western East wrote: |
CKM, yes, I've heard of those university summer programmes and I've actually tried applying for one. And the possibility of needing to do some kind of further teaching qualification further down the line is something I've thought about. So investing in an MA TESOL or DELTA is something I might need to consider, even with my academic background in English Language and Linguistics. I'm not too familiar with a DELTA, is that something you'd only do after obtaining a CELTA certificate? Thanks for the advice! |
You're welcome! I would suggest applying for a few pre-sessionals (this is hiring time). You could try the uni(s) where you studied - being a former student may help your application a little.
The MA TESOL and Delta point was to give you an idea of the kind of qualifications that are common among (EAP) teachers now. Even though the Delta has Master's level recognition in the UK, many teachers now have MA TESOL/ELT plus the Delta. I think the practical teaching element of the Delta (not present in most MAs) is seen as beneficial. Given your linguistics background, I don't think it would be necessary to do an MA TESOL/ELT, but the Delta (you need a couple of years experience) would certainly be something to consider later if you're serious about ELT. Get the CELTA (or Trinity Cert) under your belt first.
By the way, the points about qualifications are more in the context of the UK university sector - the Delta, for example, does not have the same recognition in other places. |
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