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Lord T
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If the Saudi employer wants/needs you and has wasta, you'll get the job and the residence permit, regardless of where/what you studied.
The hard part is working out who has wasta. |
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sicklyman
Joined: 02 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Online Bachelors / Masters |
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Is it true that any hint of online study modules on your BA / MA course will prevent you from working in the KSA?
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It is a fact. It's more than just a consideration that they make. The dervishes won't inform you of this until you have spent thousands of dollars in money and time. |
Well, it's a fact for a BA yes, because all jobs require a degree of some sort. But unless your job requires an MA, how it was obtained may not be relevant anyway.
For example, I have a BA in Architecture but was hired with a distance MA in Applied Linguistics/TESOL from the UK and a DELTA. Without the DELTA, they may have relied on my 15+ years' of experience and my Trinity Cert. given my unrelated BA, but there would have been more doubt for sure.
It may well have been that they considered my DELTA demonstrated that had my MA included a teaching practicum, I would have undoubtedly completed it successfully.
Before we know who jumps on this response, please note that I am neither recommending that people attempt to land jobs in KSA with distance MAs as I did nor saying that they are accepted based on my experience.
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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Location: USA
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Anyone can apply and see what happens. This thread is merely to inform of the reality that if any parts of your degrees were done online, chances are very strong that they will not be accepted by the Saudi Ministry, and thus one might spend quite a bit money to learn that one doesn't have a job.
Buyer beware...
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1st Sgt Welsh
Joined: 13 Dec 2010
Posts: 946
Location: Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| There are a lot of solid courses out there with online components. If bureaucrats in the KSA don't accept them... they're losing out on some good people. |
I personally couldn't agree more. I've taught EFL in an accredited Western university which, in terms of its professionalism and ethical and educational standards would, if I were to wager, leave any tertiary institution in the KSA for dead. My degree via distance education didn't stop me from getting that job and the great thing about TEFL is that there are always plenty of options out there. If you are interested in the Gulf, then Oman and the UAE have a more enlightened view in regards to distance education....
Besides, if your external enrollment means that you miss out living in a country like Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, well, at least IMHO, I think it's fair to say that there are worse fates that could befall you. I'm sorry if that sounds flippant, but most of the people I've met, and I've met plenty, who worked in those countries got to the stage where they couldn't wait to get out of there! |
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Lord T
Joined: 07 Jul 2015
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In my opinion, the tefl industry suffers greatly from the fact that the highest paying jobs are in the Gulf region. The Gulf Arabs have money because of what is under their feet, not because of what is in their heads.
I agree with previous posters who say it's the Saudis' money, they can make the rules, but I think it's fair to say most Saudi managers don't think in a way that their western counterparts would consider rational.
Yes people, the Saudis have lost a large number of good western teachers over the years, whilst falling for the b/s of many a western charlatan.
If they want to reject good people because part of their degree was done off-campus, let them get on with it. |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| 1st Sgt Welsh wrote: |
| If you are interested in the Gulf, then Oman and the UAE have a more enlightened view in regards to distance education.... |
I believe Oman still accepts them, but the since the reorganization of the education ministries a year or two ago there has been a change in the UAE. Previous the Ministry of Higher Education accepted them, while the Ministry of Education (K-12) did not. Now, according to the latest reports, the new combined ministry does not accept them.
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1st Sgt Welsh
Joined: 13 Dec 2010
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Location: Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| 1st Sgt Welsh wrote: |
| If you are interested in the Gulf, then Oman and the UAE have a more enlightened view in regards to distance education.... |
I believe Oman still accepts them, but the since the reorganization of the education ministries a year or two ago there has been a change in the UAE. Previous the Ministry of Higher Education accepted them, while the Ministry of Education (K-12) did not. Now, according to the latest reports, the new combined ministry does not accept them. |
That's a shame. Good to know though. Thanks for the update. |
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BajaLaJaula
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Yet another example of the level of hypocrisy in KSA. Their own SAUDI students take online classes in-country, which are rubbish, and it is not held against them.
Foreigners who have taken online, many times much better than traditional, courses are rejected.
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| The number of students taking online courses grew to 5.8 million nationally, continuing a growth trend that has been consistent for 13 years. More than a quarter of higher education students (28 percent) are enrolled in least one online course. |
https://onlinelearningconsortium.org/news_item/report-one-four-students-enrolled-online-courses/
Every time I visit the magic kingdom, I am amazed at how quickly they are adapting to change and improving their society.
Just look at all of the improvements they have made in the past 50 years...
1. Women can drive
2. They have a representative government
3. Nepotism has been eradicated and now young Saudis can look forward to getting a job based on their qualifications.
4. Foreign workers are treated fairly. Paid on time. Passports no longer taken from them. You hardly read about any abuses in the newspaper.
5. People have the right to voice their dissent of of the Al Saud mafia without fear of being imprisoned.
6. Religious police no longer harassing people
7. JOBS JOBS JOBS....high unemployment for Saudis is a thing of the past.
8. Education system has been vastly improved. A Saudi graduate from a local University can get a job anywhere in the world due to high standards in local schools.
9. Shops no longer closed during prayer times like the rest of the muslim majority countries around the world.
10. Don't like what is being preached at the local mosque. No problem, just go to another one. It's not like the Al Saud mafia is dictating what the Friday sermon will be about any more. |
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