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Grinjin



Joined: 29 May 2017
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hang on, there are 120 days that you needn't work, so 2 days a week x 52 is 104. So you'll essentially only have 16 other days holiday a year that aren't your weekend.


365-230-104 = 31 days off that are not weekends. It's 10 Chinese national holidays, 2 weeks vacation in the summer, and 2 weeks vacation in the winter. Is that bad for China?
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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many people I know who finish at the end of June and start at the end of August, so they have two months paid over the summer, and also get 6 weeks for winter. Several of those days will be the 3 day mini holidays, so are almost useless. You'll get a week at Golden week, two or three days at new years, May holiday, Dragon boat, etc.
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yurii



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grinjin wrote:
Well I'm limiting my job search to only Yunnan, and this is the best offer I've received so far. I haven't applied to any language schools, only universities and international schools. I think I started applying a little late and missed some opportunities.

I'm sure I can find a job at a language school, maybe even one that pays better, but I'm thinking experience at an international school would be better for career growth.


But this is China! Take the "international" part with a pinch of salt. How many of the students are foreigners?
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yurii wrote:
Grinjin wrote:
Well I'm limiting my job search to only Yunnan, and this is the best offer I've received so far. I haven't applied to any language schools, only universities and international schools. I think I started applying a little late and missed some opportunities.

I'm sure I can find a job at a language school, maybe even one that pays better, but I'm thinking experience at an international school would be better for career growth.


But this is China! Take the "international" part with a pinch of salt. How many of the students are foreigners?


If your options are either universities or international schools then you are not qualified for the latter.
No certificated registered classroom-experienced teacher would look at a uni position.
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MsHoffman



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also very geographically limited, and like you I ran out of places quickly. I flipped on my VPN and did a google search on the province name + type of school. Found a bunch of schools, hunted for their HR email addresses (used google translate a fair amount), and then contacted them directly.

Interestingly, the one school with a nice English web site and *no* email address was my top choice. Since I had no way to contact them, I asked a recruiter to do it for me. She had no trouble doing this.

So don't rely on job ads alone - find the schools and then ask them about jobs. Right now is peak season! Almost all schools are hiring. So keep trying, and yes like everyone else, hard pass on the preschool, unless you really really really adore preschool age children. Because that (or LOTS of RMB), would be the only reason to sign this contract.

Also, when you contact schools directly, keep your English extremely simple. Limit yourself to the Present Simple and Present Progressive tenses. Use very very basic vocabulary. And keep emails as short as possible.

Last thing: If you find a school you like, tell them you heard about the school while outside China. It's *kind of* true but more importantly they will flip over the fact that someone outside of China knows about them.

Good luck!
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And keep emails as short as possible.

..and sentences
Other start points for geographically-focused teachers is the Wikipedia entry for the city of interest.
On the side bar there will likely be an 'Education' tab. This should bring up the principal tertiaries in town. Some will have a web page link, but it is likely that you'll have to Google for that.
Once you have a website look for 'international' or similar pages and if you are lucky there will be an email address.
I concur that this is the hiring season.
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Grinjin



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, those are some good tips, especially asking a recruiter to contact a specific school for you and keeping emails short and simple.

I didn't rely on ads, and I tried to avoid recruiters. It was a lot of work searching, but I contacted all the schools I could directly.

I sent full cover letters, which may have been a mistake; but I wrote them so that someone could get the most important information from the first short paragraph and then just look at my resume if they were interested. Hopefully the length didn't turn people away...

I don't think I have any illusions about what type of school this is. Yes, it's an "international" school with a pinch of salt. But for the experience, I figure even that is better than just another language school. Could be a good first step towards certification and working in higher tier international schools.

The pay is much more than a university but much less than a top tier international school. In the end, they made every change I requested to the contract, so it seems like a decent opportunity without too much risk.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck.
Of course replying to an ad means the school is in hiring mode.
Cold calling is second best but worth doing as it ups your activity rate.
As a former recruiter, I know that the best thing a job seeker can do is keep applying.
My Mantra - A B A = Always Be Applying.
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MsHoffman



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, before I contacted any schools or sent out my resume, I did a lot of searches on this forum for threads containing useful advice about resumes and cover letters. Completely changed my resume (no lies, just re-written for my new Chinese audience), and changed the way I wrote cover letters. Now they are just short emails. Even if the advertisement asks for a "cover letter", I send a short email. Works fine every time.

The advice I read on here worked great (do a search on the word "resume" for the China forum), and I really believe it's why I get so many job offers and positive responses. Yay Dave's ESL Cafe!

Honestly, I think a long cover letter is a big mistake.

The one thing I get asked constantly by employers (university teaching), is do I have the skills to teach low-level students? I say yes, of course I do, but my resume and short emails (I haven't used formal cover letters and I've never been asked for one), are what employers usually reference as "proof" that I know how to talk to a low-level student.

I also alter my English a lot when I communicate with schools. Often they can monologue in decent English for days on end but they can't understand what I'm staying if I speak in my normal vocabulary and speech patterns.

If I were you I would read all the great advice on here, and try re-applying to schools that did not respond to you. No cover letter, just a short email with your resume and recent photo attached. The photo is essential, even if they don't ask for it.

They won't toss out your resume just because you sent it before, especially if you've changed it. If you're really paranoid about this send it from a different email address, get a QQ Mail one if you can, you will need it in China anyway.

Also don't avoid recruiters! They are helpful and necessary for many teaching jobs. You just have to remember that they can be a little time consuming sometimes. Of course Always Be Applying, in every way possible.

If you do take the contract - my preschool teacher friends seem to be always working but they just love kids. And that's so important, because if the parents think that you don't think their kids are awesome, your preschool teaching career will suck. Most of the successful preschool teachers here have excellent relationships with the parents.

Okay, that's all I know... good luck Smile
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Kalkstein



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grinjin wrote:

I don't think I have any illusions about what type of school this is. Yes, it's an "international" school with a pinch of salt. But for the experience, I figure even that is better than just another language school. Could be a good first step towards certification and working in higher tier international schools.


It won't be. Real international schools don't hire teachers without teaching qualifications and the high tier ones don't hire people without teaching experience - post qualification. If that's your goal do a teaching certification otherwise you are wasting your time.


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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean they don't hire them without a lot of teaching post qualification?
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Kalkstein



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
Do you mean they don't hire them without a lot of teaching post qualification?


Yeah, I meant to say without. Experience after you've gained the qualification is usually what pushes the salary up too.
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Kalkstein"]
Grinjin wrote:


It won't be. Real international schools don't hire teachers without teaching qualifications and the high tier ones don't hire people without teaching experience - post qualification. If that's your goal do a teaching certification otherwise you are wasting your time.


Are you telling me that a "real" international school requires college level teachers to have teaching qualifications (I think you meant certifications) in order to teach on the university level?

I will be teaching at a *real* international school in the fall (the second in ten years) with no certification, just a BA an MA and an MFA and fifteen years experience in the class room. In the U.S, there are no certifications for university and college instructors.
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Elicit



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrE versus AmE.

I take him to mean primary / elementary and secondary / high rather than higher education.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be teaching at a *real* international school in the fall (the second in ten years) with no certification, just a BA an MA and an MFA and fifteen years experience in the class room. In the U.S, there are no certifications for university and college instructors.

Yeah, but you're the Bud.
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