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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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| My other question, do you think the internet connection is an issue? Will I be able to keep my hours of online teaching? |
Internet in China tends to have many dropouts, so you'll experience lag spikes. It's one of the biggest complaints many of my expat friends have. Trying to play online games is often impossible. I doubt it would provide enough quality for your customers...
TBH though you should easily be able to make up the same from actual privates classes. There are heaps of "white monkey" jobs here especially for western women, and they often have excellent income opportunities. (all illegal, of course) |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Iloveamma wrote: |
Wow! Thank you for the reply.
What do you mean it was perishing?
Does that mean it is humid?
I will check out Qingdao. How do you get around? |
Perishing as in cold.
If you live in Nth America you are used to snow. It was new to me. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Iloveamma wrote: |
Look at this crappy offer from Qingdao university. Guess I would fall into the 4500 category. 
Monthly salary from RMB 4,500 to 10,000 (4,500 for bachelor’s with over two years’ teaching experience; 5,000 for master’s; 5,500 for doctor’s; 7,500 maximum for associate professor; 10,000 maximum for full professor)
* Round-trip international flight allowance every year (8,000 for Europe; 10,000 for USA)
* Monthly apartment renting allowance from 1,500 to 2,500
* Yearly heating allowance from 2,100 to 3,700
* Medical insurance of 1,680 per year.
* Free transport from the airport
* Luggage delivery reimbursement of 1,000. |
This is pretty standard university stuff. The thing I don't like is the implication that you find your own accommodation. Then again the allowance may be in case you want to live off campus.
I always took the on-campus single-occupancy apartment option. If you have split shifts - say 8am to 10am and then 2pm to 4pm, are you going home or do you hang out in the library?
Universities will probably employ you on the standard 20 hour pw (max) SAFEA contract.
'Hours' are teaching hours - 45 or 50 minutes and a normal workload is 16 or 18 teaching hours pw. Great for Oral English. Written work marking is in your own time.
I'll PM you with other stuff otherwise this will be too long.
I've never been given a lesson plan.
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nimadecaomei
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Perishing as in cold.
If you live in Nth America you are used to snow. It was new to me. |
North America is a big place mate, not used to snow at all. Also, only seen it twice here in 10 years. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| I think you get my meaning. |
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nimadecaomei
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| You just phrased it wrong, it snows in the continent I am from and yours also. The only time I have seen anything resembling serious snow was this year in Jiangsu. I think the problem with cold in China is that everything is a cement ice box. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| Iloveamma wrote: |
I absolutely love your replies!
It would be a bit hard to find my college teachers though, since that was almost 20 years ago! I only remember one of my professor's names!
I have a profssionally designed online curriculum that is extremely awesome. I would not have to do anything except get it onto the projector. But it has only about 660 lessons.
How many total lessons would I need to teach in one year? Do you have any idea? |
Answering your final question. The academic year in universities and public vocationals is 2x18 week semesters. Doubt you'd be asked to do more than 16 contact hours pw. Deduct two lessons (2x50 min) for assessment per class per semester and you'll get a close estimate.
In the times I've been asked to do 18 or 20 hours (staff leaving or something) I've been given a lighter workload the following semester or if a replacement teacher arrives.
I've PMd you access ($) to a quick primer on timetables including the mysterious 'make up days'. |
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nimadecaomei
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Answering your final question. The academic year in universities and public vocationals is 2x18 week semesters. Doubt you'd be asked to do more than 16 contact hours pw. Deduct two lessons (2x50 min) for assessment per class per semester and you'll get a close estimate.
In the times I've been asked to do 18 or 20 hours (staff leaving or something) I've been given a lighter workload the following semester or if a replacement teacher arrives.
I've PMd you access ($) to a quick primer on timetables including the mysterious 'make up days'. |
Are you sure all universities and vocational do this? I see doubt written in the post. I will say again, if I had listened to what people say on this board a year ago when I had to get a new job, there would be 6500 a month and a place to live. I am on my second identity here, I admit that, I was wangdaning before. I am a legit person who wants to give help. The positions mentioned above might help a noob to enter the field of ESL. I just think people are lowballing themselves.
Sorry if I seem mad, just heard a speech about Chinese being one race, their eyes black, and their skin yellow (haha, no worries of racism, they be da Chinese). Was enough to piss me off as my son has pink skin and brown eyes, his Chinese passport says the latter. |
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Non Sequitur
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The unis and vocationals I've taught at adhere to a 2x18 week format. But hey As soon as you think you have anything certain in PRC, an exception comes to light.
I think the official requirement may be a certain number of 'half days'. |
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Kalkstein
Joined: 25 Aug 2016
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Answering your final question. The academic year in universities and public vocationals is 2x18 week semesters. Doubt you'd be asked to do more than 16 contact hours pw. Deduct two lessons (2x50 min) for assessment per class per semester and you'll get a close estimate.
In the times I've been asked to do 18 or 20 hours (staff leaving or something) I've been given a lighter workload the following semester or if a replacement teacher arrives.
I've PMd you access ($) to a quick primer on timetables including the mysterious 'make up days'. |
Are you sure all universities and vocational do this? I see doubt written in the post. I will say again, if I had listened to what people say on this board a year ago when I had to get a new job, there would be 6500 a month and a place to live. I am on my second identity here, I admit that, I was wangdaning before. I am a legit person who wants to give help. The positions mentioned above might help a noob to enter the field of ESL. I just think people are lowballing themselves.
Sorry if I seem mad, just heard a speech about Chinese being one race, their eyes black, and their skin yellow (haha, no worries of racism, they be da Chinese). Was enough to piss me off as my son has pink skin and brown eyes, his Chinese passport says the latter. |
The 2x18 format is normal. 6,500 a month is terrible though. I don't see below 7,000 anymore and it's pretty easy to get 8,500 in your first year (my friend who has 0 experience got this recently) and around 10k thereafter. I'd say 12-16 teaching hours is common, 16 max seems spot on. Those salaries quoted for Qingdao university seem insanely low though and are less than what local teachers would be paid with the same qualifications in the places I've worked at.
You'd have to be crazy to take 5,000 if you have a master's. Insulting. That's like an entry level salary for a new Chinese teacher in a small city. You could shop around for 13,000.
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I would love to teach Business English.
Is it hard? Just getting a job and visa is hard, so I cannot imagine what they make you do to open a business |
Hard, it depends on the type of business. It's also not cheap, it will cost you a lot of money to run. More than you think. |
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Blistering Zanazilz
Joined: 06 Jan 2018
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
| Iloveamma wrote: |
Look at this crappy offer from Qingdao university. Guess I would fall into the 4500 category.
Monthly salary from RMB 4,500 to 10,000 (4,500 for bachelor’s with over two years’ teaching experience; 5,000 for master’s; 5,500 for doctor’s; 7,500 maximum for associate professor; 10,000 maximum for full professor)
* Round-trip international flight allowance every year (8,000 for Europe; 10,000 for USA)
* Monthly apartment renting allowance from 1,500 to 2,500
* Yearly heating allowance from 2,100 to 3,700
* Medical insurance of 1,680 per year.
* Free transport from the airport
* Luggage delivery reimbursement of 1,000. |
This is pretty standard university stuff. |
That salary of 4500 for a BA qualified teacher is in no way "standard university stuff" today. Maybe back in 2004 but not in 2018. This offer is not only crappy, it's ++ crappy. |
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Iloveamma
Joined: 26 May 2013
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Answering your final question. The academic year in universities and public vocationals is 2x18 week semesters. Doubt you'd be asked to do more than 16 contact hours pw. Deduct two lessons (2x50 min) for assessment per class per semester and you'll get a close estimate.
In the times I've been asked to do 18 or 20 hours (staff leaving or something) I've been given a lighter workload the following semester or if a replacement teacher arrives.
I've PMd you access ($) to a quick primer on timetables including the mysterious 'make up days'. |
Are you sure all universities and vocational do this? I see doubt written in the post. I will say again, if I had listened to what people say on this board a year ago when I had to get a new job, there would be 6500 a month and a place to live. I am on my second identity here, I admit that, I was wangdaning before. I am a legit person who wants to give help. The positions mentioned above might help a noob to enter the field of ESL. I just think people are lowballing themselves.
Sorry if I seem mad, just heard a speech about Chinese being one race, their eyes black, and their skin yellow (haha, no worries of racism, they be da Chinese). Was enough to piss me off as my son has pink skin and brown eyes, his Chinese passport says the latter. |
I think I quoted the wrong one.
Okay so with the 2 x 18 weeks, I want to talk about the lesson plans.
What is the expectation? Are you giving a new lesson plan each class? Or one per week? Are these all different students? How many times are you seeing the students per week?
Thanks to all the replies.
I have been looking at job ads all over China, and they all seem to be more or less than 7000 for something desirable. |
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Blistering Zanazilz
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| At the university level you typically see the same students weekly, seven or eight different classes, and you require one lesson per week. It's about the easiest job you're going to find in this country and won't require you to work too hard. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Blistering Zanazilz wrote: |
| Non Sequitur wrote: |
| Iloveamma wrote: |
Look at this crappy offer from Qingdao university. Guess I would fall into the 4500 category.
Monthly salary from RMB 4,500 to 10,000 (4,500 for bachelor’s with over two years’ teaching experience; 5,000 for master’s; 5,500 for doctor’s; 7,500 maximum for associate professor; 10,000 maximum for full professor)
* Round-trip international flight allowance every year (8,000 for Europe; 10,000 for USA)
* Monthly apartment renting allowance from 1,500 to 2,500
* Yearly heating allowance from 2,100 to 3,700
* Medical insurance of 1,680 per year.
* Free transport from the airport
* Luggage delivery reimbursement of 1,000. |
This is pretty standard university stuff. |
That salary of 4500 for a BA qualified teacher is in no way "standard university stuff" today. Maybe back in 2004 but not in 2018. This offer is not only crappy, it's ++ crappy. |
There's a RANGE of over 5K in the salary indication. Why do you lowball the OP and suggest she can only sneak in at the low end of the range?
One thing I do notice is that airfare, heating are also allowances. Back in the day they were 'actuals'. |
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peripatetic_soul
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:32 pm Post subject: Picking a place to work |
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Dear Amma,
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| Okay so with the 2 x 18 weeks, I want to talk about the lesson plans. What is the expectation? Are you giving a new lesson plan each class? Or one per week? Are these all different students? How many times are you seeing the students per week? |
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Every institution and its respective programs can vary dramatically regarding lesson plans and other questions you posed. There is no simple answer as one size does not fit all.
The above should be addressed when the interviewer asks if you have any questions. It's always beneficial to ask typical enrollment number per class, amt of time in a class period or block, if lesson plans are pre-planned (aligned with assigned texts), what the learning objectives are which will give you an idea of the types of activities to incorporate in your lessons, etc.
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