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FGT

Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Gecmis olsun, dmb, I'm with you on this one. Just because we teach people doesn't mean we should have to teach miniature, immature ones. Some of us choose to specialize in teaching fully formed beings.
Damage limitation - word searches, pictures, music, treasure hunts, prizes, etc.
A lot will depend on the kid. Can you get him on side? Does he want to learn? Or is it just expensive child-minding paid for by shi'ty parents of a (probably) shi'ty child? [spelling abberations in response to big brother deleting the mildest of expletives]
Good luck! |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry to let you down, but I do honestly think if you HATE kids you shouldn't be in this profession! |
That's a bit unfair Roger. If I wanted to teach kids I would have done a PGCE. I didn't. I did a CELTA-the A stands for adults. I did a DELTA- the A stands for adults. I did an MA- the A stands for.... well maybe not.
I just don't like kids. My first job 12 years ago involved teaching kids and I didn't enjoy it too much. So,Roger, just because I don't like little people do you think I should change my career
Yes FGT. You are right. I will be babysitting a rich spoilt brat. I've met her and she is a right little madam.
BTW ıs there such a word as a paedophobe? If so then I am that
Leeroy,thanks for the support-even if you are English  |
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yaramaz

Joined: 05 Mar 2003 Posts: 2384 Location: Not where I was before
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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dmb, my sincerest condolences and apologies. I didnt realise what you were getting yourself into. I have taught quite few of what you have described and they drove me insane. I'd actually prefer a sugar-loopy Turkish boy because at least then some games and goofiness might work. I spent last year trying not to strangle several spoiled little rich girls who didnt like my lessons or my attitude or my clothes or my hair or my voice or the room or... Gaaaaaaaah.
Here's a virtual beer--- westcoast micro brewery pale ale. |
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anthyp

Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 1320 Location: Chicago, IL USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Good luck, dmb. You can handle one tiny little girl, can't you?
Just remember - "Don't let her see you smile until Christmas." |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:01 am Post subject: |
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About a million years ago when I first began teaching fresh out of university the first time, I was a substitute/supply teacher for all grade levels elementary through high school for a semester. It didn't take me long to realize that teaching little kids was not my strong point. I spent the next almost 20 years teaching high school, junior high, and middle school students. Middle school was pushing it for me, but I managed to handle it when I had to.
When I went back to university for my MA in TESOL in my mid-40s, the state in which I lived only had two kinds of certification for ESL: adult education and K-12. I did both of them, because I wanted the option of teaching either high school or adult ESL. I did two practicums, one with adults and one with elementary. They insisited that I do the K-12 practicum in elementary and let me slide on the junior high / high school practicum because I was already doing two practicums and had years of teaching experience at 7-12 level.
The little kids were just as I had remembered them. They were cute from a distance and for a very short period of time. When I was in the classroom with them, there were the constant movement, short attention span, having to go to the bathroom all the time, whining & crying, not to mention how the kids were behaving while I was doing all of those things!
The bottom line to all of this, in my opinion, is that some people are cut out to teach kids and some aren't. Personally, I'll stick with teenagers and adults. Hats off to those who can teach the little ones! |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Roger wrote: |
| Sorry to let you down, but I do honestly think if you HATE kids you shouldn't be in this profession! |
That's a bit unfair Roger. Is there such a word as a paedophobe? If so then I am that
So I am being unfair to you and to the OP. I don't mind if you see me this way! But, have you read her reply? Do you think that is adult behaviour? I have got a life, thank you, and don't need to search for one!
I do sympathise with teachers out of sync with their young charges, but "hating" them??? I feel they are not up to their job. I too have various experiences, some uplifting, some demoralising; it's part of this job. Teachers should be a little above that - "I don't like this..." that's childish, really!
Besides, teaching adults can be at least as frustrating as teaching little ones. In my humble view, not getting along with kids is a sure recipe for having problems with adults as well.
If a doctor doesn't like male patients, should we allow him to open a clinic for female patients only? I guess he has to specialise in obstetrics or gynecology. Or else - forget about being a doctor.
Ditto a waitress! If she dislikes serving tarts in a bar, she shouldn't apply for such a job in the first place. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| I just got into the office and have been told that I have to help the kid with her summer maths homework. I am not qualified to teach kids or maths. |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| I just got into the office and have been told that I have to help the kid with her summer maths homework. I am not qualified to teach kids or maths. |
I guess that's why they only asked you to help her - not lecture here in set theory.
I think kids are a bit like spiders. people seem to be afraid of them, genuinely afraid, in a kind of irrational way. They are unpredictable, egotistical, demanding and do not conform to the mores that we hold as acceptable.
But more than this, I think the greatest contribution to this fear comes from the fact that, in the majority of institutions where you find teachers who "dread" the kids, support for teaching them is seriously lacking. That is definitely the case where I am writing from.
Someone quoted the As in DELTA and CELTA. That's a good example. When young learners make up a very sizeable sector of the ELT profession why is it almost impossible to get yourself a widely recognised and available corresponding kids qualification (such as the so rare it's almost endangered CELTYL) and the specialist jobs to boot?
Don't blame the kids so much. They are just being themselves after all and we were all ourselves once too  |
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leeroy
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 777 Location: London UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If a doctor doesn't like male patients, should we allow him to open a clinic for female patients only? |
On the whole, treating male and female patients is much the same job.
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| Ditto a waitress! If she dislikes serving tarts in a bar, she shouldn't apply for such a job in the first place. |
Serving tarts, cheesecakes, coffees etc.. is all an integral part of a waitress's job - one is not more difficult than the other and they certainly aren't very different from each other. Bringing a cup of tea to table nine requires very similar skills to carrying a Full English Breakfast to number two.
Teaching kids vs. Teaching adults is quite different. The pre-requisities for what the teacher must "be" and how they must behave are quite different. Crying, fighting, etc.. are inevitable elements of teaching children that I am not willing to deal/capable of dealing with. Does this make me less able to teach adult classes who are less prone to such behaviour? |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Dear Dave please erase this thread.
The kid in question was an absolute delight(after the mother had left). She was responsible ,hardworking and charming. She even asked for homework at the end of the lesson.
My new favourite student |
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zaneth
Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 545 Location: Between Russia and Germany
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Stay on your toes. But yeah, even rich people can have nice kids. Sometimes the rich people themselves are even nice. I tend to have kind of an attitude about rich people (too much leftist education) but really they can be quite nice. Sometimes they display all the kinds of qualities that we value in people. Some of them appreciate what they have. Some of them have worked hard for what they have and expect their kids to do the same. Perhaps the fear of rich people is similar in some ways to the fear of children.
If you want to think in terms of reincarnation, think of wealth in this life as a reward for generosity in a past one. Might be hard to apply to parents with ill-gotten gains, but it's easy to think of the kids in this way, as deserving of a good birth. And think of it as multiplying your influence. Rich people are often influential. Help them and it can go a long way. |
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foster
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 485 Location: Honkers, SARS
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:30 am Post subject: |
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I teach High School. Always have. Had a few schools where I taught K to 12 French. I hate little kids as well. I will never have kids of my own. Growing up, my Grade 3 teacher didn't have kids and I always thought that was so hypocritical of a teacher not to want her/his own kids. Now, I know why....
Some kids are so spoilt and horrible, they ruin it for the rest of the nice ones. I like my teenagers. They can talk and be reasonable. Little kids are rotten. Blech.
dmb, I am glad she turned out to be ok. Nothing worse than trying to teach a little prince/princess. Some kids are SO different when mum and dad are around... |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:25 am Post subject: |
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I taught Grades two and three in Riyadh for four years. Loved it! The ages 8-10 are the easiest to teach anywhere. The kids are toilet trained and understand certain commands, but are still young enough to be terrorized if necessary (and I had one class I never had to say a cross word to for the first five months!)
One twelve year old really should be a doddle - getting bored is likely to be the only problem. Like any one-to-one a lot should depend on his/her personality. |
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Sekhmet
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 329 Location: Alexandria, Egypt
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:33 am Post subject: |
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I've been teaching little kids for a whole month now (notice the sarcasm...), and I have to admit there are times I consider the pros and cons of mass genocide...
Kids aren't bad. On their own, or even groups af 3 or 4, they're great fun!!! But get twenty 5 or 6 year olds in a class, and you're just asking for trouble...
I think I've just about got them trained now!!! Still looking for discipline tips tho, if anyone has any ideas (I have searched, and tried the tricks, but most don't work with KG kids!!!)...
I would love to be teaching 12 year olds. A full class of 12 year olds would be a relief!!! But only 3 weeks left of summer school - I can get through this!!!  |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 719 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:52 am Post subject: |
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I agree, between 8-9ish and puberty, kids can be a real joy to teach.
That's not much of a window, is it?  |
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