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Fascism--why is it relevant?
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Manasketa



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does he intend on funding it?
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Ludwig



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manasketa wrote:
I like reading prophecies: they are usually logical reasonings with the logic removed. Cloaked with symbolisms, as it were. Interesting read, if nothing else.

Although I do not believe in such notions as prophecies, I find the following 16th-Century French to be quite chilling (to say the very least):

Vn dubieux ne viendra loing du regne,
La plus grand part le voudra soustenir:
Vn Capitole ne voundra point qu'il regne,
Sa grande charge ne pourra maintenir.

(Nostradamus, century 6, quatrain 13)

It is the second and third lines that seem to cry out the name Al Gore!
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The television station will be funded collectively by the participating countries. There's clearly enough money coming into Venezuela to fund it (30% growth in the GNP the first trimester of 2004, expected 15% for the semester), but Ch�vez sees it as another part of the process of integrating the continent. Incidentally, Ch�vez is another optimist--he says that by 2011 if we work really hard instead of just wishing there will be that necessary critical mass of new consciousness....
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Manasketa



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need more optimists of that type.

I'm a little apprehensive, though, of the reaction this project is going to generate within certain circles (which do not need to be named). There are more than just economic pressures to deal with, unfortunately.
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This project, like almost all of Ch�vez' projects, will not be accepted with good humor by the Evil Empire. (Ch�vez recently called Bush the Evil Emperor.) Ch�vez apparently has such internal strength and serenity that he couldn't care less. (A couple of months back he wote an OpEd piece for the Washington Post where he talked about when they were going to kill him in April of 2002 when he was held captive for 2 days.)

If he isn't worried--and he's the one whose life is on the line--not to mention the future of the people of South America--why should you be apprehensive? Do what you can to support those folks who are on the path to making another world possible.
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Manasketa



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ludwig:

I have read some Nostradamus myself (curiosity will be my damnation), and have not been impressed by it. Vague musings, all of it. Over the centuries, some of it has to "come true". Law of probability.

"Vn dubieux ne viendra loing du regne,
La plus grand part le voudra soustenir.
Vn Capitole ne voudra point qu'il regne,
Sa grande charge ne pourra maintenir."

Anyway, anyone can see the link between this section and the Bush-Gore conflict, because it is something big that happened in our little slice of history. There is nothing here that can't be linked to many other similar "conflicts", though.

Besides, being french speaking, I know and consider "La plus grand part" to mean more than just half, or even a little more than half if you really want to stretch the meaning. It may be considered a detail, but since the whole series is an accumulation of such details, anyone can pull any message out of it if they don't stick to them.
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Manasketa



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonraven:

All the better if he isn't worried. Like I said, we need more people like him.

Anyway, the alternative to resisting is really not much better (especially not in South America). For both short term and especially long term prospects.
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Bindair Dundat



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonraven wrote:
This project, like almost all of Ch�vez' projects, will not be accepted with good humor by the Evil Empire. (Ch�vez recently called Bush the Evil Emperor.)


"The Evil Emperor". Clever. That makes Chavez about as bright as Ronald Reagan.

BD
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is NO alternative. Ch�vez says we must tie up our boots and tighten our belts and go forward. And of course he is right.
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