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Should I emigrate to Canada?
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migo



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varvian wrote:
I don't anything about Canada other than it's REALLY COLD. My question is how comfortable would you feel in a country where the temperature drops to around -16 C in the winter?


-16�C is nothing. Depending on where you are it can drop as low as -50� C or -60� C with another 20�C to 30�C wind chill. I have fortunately never experienced both together, so it was -50� C max for me but it definitely has the potential to get REALLY cold. Vancouver it rarely drops below freezing though and I've been able to wear shorts all year except for a week, where I had to wear a warm jacket and wear socks in my sandals.

Since they abandoned the point system, unless you're a refugee the way to get in is to bring between $250,000 and $750,000 depending on the situation and invest in a Canadian company. There are some other ways to get in but I understand they're not nearly as easy. I haven't looked into them as I already have Canadian citizenship.

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9.Access to the U.S. market based on the NAFTA Agreement.


Not really. The NAFTA in practice lets the US screw Canada however they want and there's little Canada can do about it.

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10.The best country to live in the world - and the United Nations keeps reaffirming it!


Nope, it's Sweden now, followed by Australia. Canada is 3rd.

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B.C., that's where I'd go. Maybe Nelson. Ah, the Kootenays. Maybe farther North.


Unless you're into Hiking, Mountain Biking, are a Neo-Hippy or want to be able to get away with smoking as much dope as you like, there's really nothing worth moving to Nelson for. I lived there for 2 years and couldn't wait to get out.

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Do they take Americans?


Technically yes, but it does cost you a lot of money (see above) unless you can find another way around.
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lagerlout2006



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaramaz!---That may be misleading as it's easier for for native speakers of French...Quebec actively seek them...

Also easier if you have a million or so to invest... Wink $$$$$$$$$$$ Wink $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Wink

Anyway capergirl is right the number is about 200 000 a year not 2000. I don't know if refugees are included in this number...I think relatives of new arrivals get preference...I also suspect teaching would not qualify as a special skill for work permit purposes...

Can't tell you anything about Calgary. For me Niagara Falls is "Western Canada." Wink
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guty



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are few places you arent better off than inner city Coventry.
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lagerlout, you are correct about Quebec actively seeking the French, but my French friend has yet to even see Quebec after spending over 3 years exclusively on the West Coast. The Quebec recruitment rules apply to immigrants entering Quebec only. The rest of Canada has different rules. My friend came in via Vancouver.
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zaneth



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hiking, mountain biking and a neo hippy. More or less guilty on all three. i spent only a short time in Nelson but had probably the most pivotal experience of my life there (no, it was in no way dope related, quite the contrary). Immediately prior to the pivotal experience, I also had some really fun times, met some amazing people.

I knew a guy who tried to pass himself off as a refugee from the United States. They didn't buy it, unfortunately.

Whatever happened to the guys who went up there to escape the draft? Did they eventually get permission to stay? And American blacks and Indians? Do they get refugee status?

I'm headed to Seattle next week. Anybody in Ecotopia feel like getting together for coffee?
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thetraveller



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I emigrate to Canada? Reply with quote

Boy Wonder wrote:
1. Fed up with the EFL grind and the ' wherever I lay my hat that's my home ' way of life....

I live in Toronto and just quit a very well paying job to get away from the 'grind of 9-5'...to take up the EFL grind...no matter where you go there will always be a grind.



and murmerings/vague mumbling of it being relatively easy for me....A staunch supporter of everything British....to settle down/find a job and live a full and fun life there!

No easier than anywhere else.

Question is ....what is Canada like?.......Is my other 'alf just leading me along so she can get her hands all over my sexy body...or is Canada really the real deal?

No doubt a great country and has something for everyone, whether it's partying in great clubs, hiking through pristine mountains or enjoying any of a thousand outdoor activities

Has anyone out there successfully negotiated cultural integration......?

If you are from Britain, I doubt you would find our culture much of a shock or anything that would be too difficult to overcome

About 176, 000 people got into Canada last year...a lot easier if you have a sponsor (maybe your girlfriend is willing to get married? You can always get a divorce pretty easy!).

And would I be better off living in downtown Calgary as oppose to Inner City Coventry?

Close to the mountains, fair weather. If you are looking for a good climate to live in, try Kelowna, purportedly the best in Canada.

Or should I just forget about the whole thing and continue baking home made Wagon Wheels from my roadside hut in Ho Chi Minh City??


Come and visit! You will not be disappointed. Very Happy
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Boy Wonder



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming over early September.......for a 'look-see' anyway!
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:
Jetgirly and yaramaz,

Are there any good colleges around Victoria that have ESL programs? What about UVIC? I'm not talking about language schools, but post secondary colleges.


Are you talking about an ESL school where you could work as a teacher? I know UVic has something because some of my profs teach ESL... However if my profs (with PhDs in English) are teaching there, I imagine that competition for jobs is fierce.

I don't know the exact links for the programs (or if they even actually exist), but you should check these places first:

http://www.uvcs.uvic.ca/elc/
http://www.camosun.bc.ca/international/englishlanguageinstitute/

Royal Roads University states: "Individuals seeking entry into first or second year of an undergraduate program or entry into an English Language program should fulfill these requirements at another post-secondary institution before submitting their application to Royal Roads University."
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetgirly, yes I was referring to teaching as an ESL teacher, not being a student.
What are some of the names of the colleges around Victoria?

Thanks
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Canada Reply with quote

I am reading this thread with great interest, as a Canadian. Well, a Canadian gone south. I moved to Mexico to teach English and enjoy a different lifestyle from my hectic corporate lifestyle in Vancouver, and I have never gone back. Not that I don't love Canada, but I married a Mexican and for now at least, (and maybe forever) my life is here in Mexico. I must say though, Canadian immigration is known to be very liberal. I have no doubt that if I moved back to Canada with mi esposo in tow, he would be granted legal status without much question. This is quite different from the USA or other countries. Canada especially needs medical personnel... Doctors, nurses, etc. and especially in the Province of BC.
For now and maybe forever, I am happy to live in Mexico and work for pesos, while being involved with teaching English programs and helping others. My husband laughed at me yesterday... We had a huge flood-like downpour and I said "Thank goodness for this rain"... He said "I thought you never wanted to see rain like this again after living in Vancouver"... How soon we forget! And I reminded him it was a lovely warm rain yesterday, one you could frolic about in! Vancouver's rains could be chilling and usually are!

If you have the chance to live in Canada - go for it! It is a wonderful country. If not, come to Mexico which is also most wonderful!
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

University of Victoria
Camosun College
Royal Roads University

That's it for the immediate Victoria area.

In Nanaimo (two hours out of Victoria) there is Malaspina University College.
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine got a great job a few years ago at Glenlyon-Norfolk, a private k-12 school in Victoria. Six students, late teens, great kids, happy job.

The UVic ESL centre isnt as competitive as you might think-- a BA, TEFL, and 2 years experience is all they ask for. An MA would be a bonus. However, ESL work is hugely seasonal here on the island. Most work is in summer and only a few teachers are kept on over winter.
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migo



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My husband laughed at me yesterday... We had a huge flood-like downpour and I said "Thank goodness for this rain"... He said "I thought you never wanted to see rain like this again after living in Vancouver"... How soon we forget! And I reminded him it was a lovely warm rain yesterday, one you could frolic about in! Vancouver's rains could be chilling and usually are!


Haha. You'd probably still be cursing the rain if you came from Prince Rupert. Vancouver rain is a pain though, I agree.
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jeddahteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Fromm:
There is a Puritanical fixation on ideas in Canada. Their Customs people -- the censors, I would call them -- are supposed to be basically looking for two types of things: so-called pornography and "hate" -- hate in quotation marks. Every three months they publish a list of books, even booklists, tapes, CDs, et cetera, that they have seized in the past 90 days. And they also indicate the disposition: Whether they were seized and then deemed to be OK; or seized and then deemed to be either pornographic or "hate."

For one 90-day period a couple of years back, several of the books published by Dr. Roger Pearson in Washington -- really solid academic books like Shockley on Eugenics and Race and Fear and Loathing in Academe, which is about attempts by censors on campus to attack or shut down people who were doing research on race, people like Shockley, or Philippe Rushton in Canada -- were deemed, despite being purely academic and scholarly, to be "hate." At the same time, videotapes which had titles like 'Anal Sluts' or 'Oriental With an Anal Touch' were deemed not to be pornographic. Now, I am really not in favor of censorship regardless of content, but it struck me that unless the titles of those videotapes were utterly misleading, they probably were pornographic.
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migo



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, fortunately unless you have certain tattoos that shouldn't be a problem for people trying to get into the country.
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