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[Aramas]

Jungian psychology is rather fascinating, but I tend to think of it as a quasi-mystical modernist cult that has more in common with scientology than with science.

Introversion/extaversion are Jungian concepts that have been absorbed into the language with simplified and erroneous meanings.

From the Carl Jung web page at Shipton http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/jung.html/, courtesy of Dr. C. George Boeree;

[laodeng]

Spot on! I don't think anyone in mainstream psychology takes Jungian typology seriously these days. Not only is is Myers-Briggs based on this typology, it is simplistic in the extreme (my opinion).

[Will.]

Well it proves a couple of things this test.

I am insecure enough to take it.
I am stupid enough not to understand the results yet.

[jojo_rock]

This is me. It's interesting, but mostly just confirmed what I know about myself already. It also said I'd make a good teacher so WOO! confidence for me! I'm in the right job!

ESFJ

slightly expressed extrovert

moderately expressed sensing personality

moderately expressed feeling personality

slightly expressed judging personality


In response to what Ben said "My results are above. I agree that I'm definitely an introvert socially, but I don't see myself as an introvert as a teacher in the classroom.

Can our personalities change (without being schizo) depending on the particular situations we're in?"

I personally find that my personality changes in the classroom. I tell people what to do, I perform, I am centre of attention. Normally I hate doing those things

[moonraven]

A couple of thoughts--for the person who said that mainstream psychology doesn't take Jungian concepts seriously: what are you calling mainstream psychology? Psychology encompasses everything from experimentally based learning research--what we called running the rats in the 60 and 70s--to depth psychology, psychometrics, and so on. Jungian psychology is still very influential--second only to Freudian in its influence--as the number of Jung Societies around the world indicate. If more people did a bit of reading about Archetypes, for example, perhaps the world would not be in the state of unconscious chaos in which we find it. If more of us understaood what the Shadow is--individually, nationally, culturally, we would not have to project it onto others 24/7, but could integrate it and live and let live.

I take exception to the idea of changing personalities in the classroom. Especially in regard to "being the center of attention". It is not the job of a teacher to be the center of attention, but to create--through a dialog--conscious students (and in the process become conscious as well.)

[JosephP]

INTP, for what's worth.

My home is quite tidy and orderly, but my desk is a mess. My classes start off with the best of intentions, but then one thing leads to another and zoom...off on a tangent. Are these really attributes of INTP types?

[Deborann]

You still need to be aware that type changes according to situations and time. What you see yourself today in a particular situation is not what you are in different situation.

The shadow side is very important - and given very little exposure!!

If you read Jungs works there is a lot more than a simplistic four letter definition of a personality.

[Aramas]

There is extraordinary depth to Jung's stuff, but the symbolism is rather overwhelming. Personally I'm not in the habit of wandering around in my grey matter looking for a young girl guarding a pond, or a heavily armed dwarf. Still, it takes all sorts.

Whatever can be said about the weirder bits, Jung's typology is surprisingly accurate. The description of INTP's at intp.org http://www.intp.org/intprofile.html is so accurate it's scary. The descriptions at http://www.typelogic.com/ are also good, if somewhat brief. If nothing else, Jungian typology supercedes the zodiac

As for the crux of the Jungian biscuit, it provides the most elegant vehicle for comparitive mythology that I've encountered.

Oh, and Deb - What happened to you? Have you discovered a decaf that doesn't taste like Yarra water? I happen to enjoy the caffeine rush of several Lavazza espressos, but then I'm not inclined to explosive verbal diarroea Mine just kind of dribbles out chock full of chunky bits of unwholesome goodness

[double agent]

i took it and it was long and spread over
several daYS




oh ya and my academic comfort level is PHd which I would have to agree. The fact that I can not bare to be around unread people is something I struggle with.
The meek shall inherit the earth.... mmmm...i doubt it.

I think it was several different IQ tests it was years ago...so I can't recall,


mmmmmmm....

Summary in layman terms.
Intelligent foker who doesn't like annoying gits.
In other words, I m the one in the bar getting wrecked and sputtering
orders. Ya thats right. I am your TESL teacher roaming country to country starting my own tesl student cult.

[Snoopy]

Moonraven wrote "I never enter a classroom without a written plan". Has Moonraven, in many years of experience, never had to do "doorhandle preparation"? Sometimes you have to take a class at a moment's notice, or else you know exactly what you are doing to follow on from the previous lesson and are not suffering from senile dementia.

[Bet]

INFP. Did this years ago with a roomful of TESL colleagues ... very interesting to see a group in this light. It can help to think this way when there's conflict in the workplace. People can accept the behaviour of others more easily by saying, "Oh, well, that's because they're a such-and-such type." Also helps in putting teams together.

I believe it's an accurate description of me, or is that just me as I see myself ?

I have a feeling (or intuition ?! ) that most TESOL teachers would be introverted, though the sample in China might not be representative.

For classroom and some other practical purposes I'd like to be more judge than perceiver but 'tis not how I am made...

[moonraven]

Uh--Snoopy, not only do I not suffer from senile dementia (I have almost unlimited contempt for jokers like you who know absolutely squat but insist that wisdom comes with youth and not from experience), but I do not accept taking classes at a moment's notice--and if I did find myself in that position--which would be highly doubtful--I have been teaching and PREPARING CLASSES for enough years to have an appropriate class planned out on one of my lesson plan cards--the larger size index cards are great for that. (When I was teaching and directing a Harmon Hall language school here in Mexico--where our books frequently fell apart--one of my students restitched my books, and even incorporated my lesson plan cards in the binding process!)

Not only is it a slap in the face to students to have them put up with an unprepared teacher trying to improvise a class, it is downright foolish on the part of the teacher. Of course there are arrogant improvisers out there who think that all they have to do is speak English in the classroom and they have given a class. I have not had any qualms of conscience about firing those ESL parasites.

[jpvanderwerf2001]

[moonraven]

Green continues to be NOT your color.

My students receive no pomposity from me--they are respectful, work their butts off in my classes, have a great time learning, and know a good thing when they see it. In short, they are smart. I reserve pomposity for folks who are not so smart....and who deserve to receive it.

[jpvanderwerf2001]