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struelle
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 2372 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| I was just saying the same thing the other day to another FT. One of the reasons I gave up on learning the Chinese language is because I am 99.9% certain I will be leaving China next summer (and that, in my opinion, it is such an outdated language). I just have no need for it in my brain. If I were planning on staying here for a few years, then that would be a different story. I said to my companion that the only people that need Chinese live . . . in China. |
Maybe it's just my lifestyle or I enjoy romping around this place, but I'd find it impossible to survive without a basic level of speaking and character reading ability, say 300-500 words. The alternative would be dependence on a Chinese friend or tour group, which has its good sides. But if I want to get around conveniently, the Putongua is essential!
To test my theory, today I pretended not to know any Chinese while meeting the bao'an at an underground bike parking lot near the train station in some small city in Jiangxi. I asked a question in English. The first reaction was this: He and his wife just looked at me and said loudly, "BU DONG!" Then they jabbered to each other that this laowai was speaking 'wai yu'.
The wife then smiled and spoke really slowly and loudly, looked at me and said, "Mai Dongxi?" I smiled, and she just burst into laughter. Apparently she thought that was all the Chinese I could understand.
In nearly every situation, the Putonghua works, the locals expect me to use it, and trying English is a total flop. Just to name a few situations: train and bus stations, airports, hotels, landlords, markets, asking for directions, internet cafes, restaurants, police stations, and even customs!
But Kev is right, the language is most useful only on the Mainland. That's another big reason why I stay here, even with all the difficulties. If I invest all this time and energy to learn characters and tones, for example, the only way to get a return on this investment is to stay here. Moving on would, in this sense, be a bit of a waste.
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No Moss
Joined: 15 Apr 2003 Posts: 1995 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that learning some Mandarin is a great aid in China.
The most imposing barrier to Chinese is the character thing. You tend to start forgetting characters if you don't use them--this is not from personal experience, but from the experience of some of my Asian friends in the States. Basically this means that you become illiterate in the language if you don't keep up with it constantly, which is not the most desirable attribute of a second language. |
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Madmaxola
Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 238
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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With your simplist mind, you will therefore agree that anyone interested in socialism must study German, Russian and Chinese, to the exclusion of English?
And why not - those of a more spirituaql bent will in future neglect English and other worldly lingos in favour of Sanscrit, ancient Greek and Hebrew? |
Nope, English is the key to money because it is an essential tool for business communication and is really so useful for so many jobs.
My argument wasn�t about needing to speak English to �understand� money, it was about knowing English to be able to communicate across the world! IF that�s not a key tool for business, what is? Why else are there hundreds of business English companies all over the world?
Sorry, I thought that was obvious |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Well, Maxiboy,
you may be forgiven to think that Chinese only learn English in order to "do business", but I doubt this is the case.
The individual motivation since 1989 may very well be borne by monetary profit conisderations, but initially under Deng, the thought was that China had to catch up with the rest of the advanced world, and knowing English was tantamount to owning the key to an unlimited store of scientific research, knowledge and evidence.
Those who only "do business" will not last long because the majority will be dealing with fellow Chinese. |
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Seth
Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 575 Location: in exile
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| i would agree with roger, in that 'doing business' in china translates into bribes, kickbacks, connections, and payoffs. in china, to borrow the words of a wise and learned sage, we aren't just teaching english, we're educating the corrupt, incompetent, baijiu swilling buttheads of tomorrow! |
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Ger
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 334
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| According to the Chinese survivor of the Pakistani hostage situation, he believes that he could slip away because he could NOT speak English, whereas the deceased Chinese victim could speak English and therefore was closely watched. |
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Auntyjack
Joined: 09 Oct 2004 Posts: 6 Location: Guilin China
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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It's interesting to see that English is the lingua franca between China and a whole heap of counries from Spain to India to Malaysia etc. neither side as native speakers.
Where's that going to take the language?
And does it matter? |
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Madmaxola
Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 238
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| you may be forgiven to think that Chinese only learn English in order to "do business", |
I never said that |
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