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etx



Joined: 15 Apr 2004
Posts: 26

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:39 pm    Post subject: Look Before You Leap Reply with quote

A few websites that might help you make your decision, before you commit yourself to the life of selfless devotion to education that the rest of us poor suckers did --
http://www.prisonerofwonderland.com
http://www.englishteacherx.com
http://www.eflplanet.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ernestswhirrled

the last, a blog, might be especially interesting to you, as it's by a guy who had a good (yet difficult) job with a great salary who decided to toss it all in order to get constantly jerked around teaching rich Thai kids in Bangkok.

and last but not least the admittedly somewhat hysterical article in the Telegraph called "The Slavery of Teaching English"

http://education.telegraph.co.uk/education/main.jhtml?xml=/education/2004/01/17/teftefl17.xml[/url]
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glenski: you are correct, I should of defined which type of teaching. . .

I am thinking of K-12. Does this seem feasible?


In Japan, fairly unlikely, as most of the time you will need teaching experience WITH Japanese students first (often acquired by teaching eikaiwa, if this is your first job).

I work in a high school in Japan and base my statements on that. Moreover, teaching elementary school kids these days means you will have to help the Japanese teacher a lot. They recently began offering English to elementary school kids, but the government didn't give schools enough time to get trained in the proper methods, plus elementary school teachers speak less English than high school teachers.

If you land a job at an eikaiwa that caters only to younger kids, you won't need the certification, but it sure helps to know what you're doing because you will be the only teacher in the room!

From Stephen Jones:
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As for the OP, if he's thinking of teaching in a proper school abroad then he ought to get teacher certifictation and spend a couple of years teaching in his own country.

Not necessarily. Teacher certification is not transferrable in some (most?) countries anyway. Plus, teaching in your home country (ESL) is somewhat different than teaching in a non-native English speaking country (EFL) because, mainly, you will be facing a homogenous population of speakers (Japanese only).
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DZNZ



Joined: 23 Sep 2004
Posts: 28

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger wrote:
Made 70 grand in the past as "technical writer";
buys a BERLITZ TEFL cert,
and comes to Taiwan to date?

What does he need a TEFL cert for?


Well my goodness, you are so very smart! Look, look!

You have already sized me up? Please mind your own business, friend.
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DZNZ



Joined: 23 Sep 2004
Posts: 28

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Look Before You Leap Reply with quote

etx wrote:
A few websites that might help you make your decision, before you commit yourself to the life of selfless devotion to education that the rest of us poor suckers did --
http://www.prisonerofwonderland.com
http://www.englishteacherx.com
http://www.eflplanet.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ernestswhirrled

the last, a blog, might be especially interesting to you, as it's by a guy who had a good (yet difficult) job with a great salary who decided to toss it all in order to get constantly jerked around teaching rich Thai kids in Bangkok.

and last but not least the admittedly somewhat hysterical article in the Telegraph called "The Slavery of Teaching English"

Thank you very much for the info.

DZNZ
http://education.telegraph.co.uk/education/main.jhtml?xml=/education/2004/01/17/teftefl17.xml[/url]
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Trojan Horse



Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Posts: 61
Location: Europe

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there DZNZ,

Sounds like you've reached a turning point. I don't know that I would whole-heartedly recommend a move into TEFL but good luck if that is what you want to do. There are some reasonable jobs out there but you need specific qualifications and experience for those (generally MA applied linguistics or something similar, CELTA/DELTA, 2 years full-time teaching experience as a minimum).

I agree with other posters who mentioned CELTA. You can do these certificates in an intensive course (4 weeks) or a couple of evenings a week. I did the intensive one and it was not truly enjoyable. Google "International House London" and check out the world map to see which schools offer CELTA near you. There are probably additional schools not included on there, so maybe mail an enquiry about that. The courses are not dead cheap but halfway reasonable.

Never heard of this particular school you mentioned, I'd recommend either the CELTA or Trinity certificate. Both are offered by various schools/bodies. Those are the ones most schools ask for.

You're dissatisfied with the politics involved in your job. Fair enough. In all truth though there is plenty of that in TEFL jobs too, plus split shifts, travelling back and forth between shcools and business premises and as you've heard pay is for the most part bad.

Before investing a whole lot in this career, I'd try it out and see how you enjoy it and how you feel about the lifestyle and conditions. Did you say which countries you were interested in? I might be able to offer more specific advice then.
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hamel



Joined: 03 May 2004
Posts: 95

PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to the original poster: please don't get too frustrated with these comments. money is not everything as you know and i respect someone who wants to help others. you can do a lot of good as an esl teacher in korea. the trick is to find the right job--korea is a good place to learn the trade. then maybe get a cert. or degree in esl or teaching after getting some experience.
best of luck.
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