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2 over lee
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 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Not funny Robert. I encourage everybody to look at a topic in the General Discussion forum called �ashamed to be Australian�. I�m afraid this silly battle we had Ludwig is no longer funny. For what it�s worth I�m sorry to everybody about starting the �Ludwig Kan shang lai zenme yang� topic. |
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2 over lee
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry everyone, but how dare this guy start and use a discussion putatively about Kelly Chen to make blatantly 'racist' comments about Hong Kong Chinese people.
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I have done nothing of the sort. |
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stillnosheep
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Social Darwinism is much argued over. Personally I find it too restrictive and 'lazy'. Nonetheless it has nothing to do with Nazi Eugenics and it is intellectually dishonest of you to imply so in your reply to Robert's post on the 'Australian' post.
Your's is an ad hominem argumen; it is also false in that it is mistaken as to the intellectual/social/political underpinnings of Social Darwinism.
I see no evidence of Nazism in Robert's posts; just of a sense of humour.
ps. Before you ask, nobody asked me for my opinion. I just thought I'd add my sixpen'orth. |
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2 over lee
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stillnosheep
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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You are making the mistake of basing your posts on the ravings of looney right-wing fundamantalist christian creationist websites that attempt to undermine evolutionary theory by segueing from Evolution theory to Darwinism to Social-Darwinism and then attempting to implicate the latter for Hitler's race-theories. The Websites suck. Arguments based upon them suck. Social darwinism is a flawed theory. It is not the same as Nazi Eugenics.
Do not believe this poster, people. He is a right-wing looney-tunes creationist-believing looney-tunes in disguise.
I am not your buddy.
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2 over lee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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You are trying to funny �sns�.
The fact remains that Hitler and his Nazi�s used social dawanism as one of their excuses for the final solution.
I have studied this to stage 3 in Uni ( not meant to be self agrandising, just showing I know something on the topic).
The websites given are just to show you the link between Hitler and SD, they are not ones which I have visited before ( it was a quick solution to proving my point maybe I should have pointed you towards some books). Your accusation that I�m a right winger is along the lines of the Arabs calling the Israelis Nazis. I think if you care to check with any left wing historian you will find they believe Hitler believed in Social Darwinism.
Go play your flame-baiting unsubstantiated games with you little buddy Robert. I did not realise that this was a forum strictly for kids under 21 and complete basket cases.
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2 over lee
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stillnosheep wrote:
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| Social darwinism is a flawed theory. It is not the same as Nazi Eugenics. |
The later not being flawed in your opinion? Yes SD is flawed, that�s not my argument, you are nothing short of a trolling baboon. |
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stillnosheep
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| 2 over lee wrote: |
| The websites given are just to show you the link between Hitler and SD, they are not ones which I have visited before ( it was a quick solution to proving my point |
If you disagree with the nasty right-wing hatred underpinning the websites then how can their nasty right-wing arguments help prove your point.
So Hitler may have believed' in Social Darwinism. So What? He also 'believed' in vegetarianism but that doesn't make vegetarianism a fascist theory! - altho' I've met a couple of vegetarian food fascists in my time, nonetheless food fascism is a separate issue from vegetarianism!
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| I have studied this to stage 3 in Uni. ( not meant to be self agrandising, just showing I know something on the topic). |
The issue was never your knowledge (or otherwise) of Hitler's beliefs; it was your (in)ability to reach a valid conclusion. Perhaps you should have studied a little logic.
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2 over lee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Good you are being resonable again.
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| So Hitler may have believed' in Social Darwinism. So What? He also 'believed' in vegetarianism but that doesn't make vegetarianism a fascist theory! - altho' I've met a couple of vegetarian food fascists in my time, nonetheless food fascism is a separate issue from vegetarianism! |
Hitler and the Nazis did not use vegetarianism as a scientific reason/excuse/back up for killing people, where, as with SD they did, hence with the passing of the years the mere mention of SD reminds people of the final solution where, as you quite rightly point out, vegitarianism does not.
I still hold that it was not �intellectually dishonest� for me to say that Roberts post was showing a belief in SD and in doing so the post was uncomfortably close to the kind of rhetoric used by the NAZIS.
You are right in thinking this could be said about a lot of things, including Socialism with Chinese Characteristics,which, could be said by some to be National Socialism  |
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stillnosheep
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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The logical conclusion of Social Darwinism is not Nazi Eugenics.
The websites that you link to are of the raving-looney literal-creation-in-7-days-by-Jehovah bible-believing right-wing christian raving-looney right (etc etc etc).
Attempting to tar anybody who adheres to the theory of Social Darwinism with the Fascist or Nazi-apologist brush is shameful and reprehensible.
Please desist.
Over and out. |
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2 over lee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| The logical conclusion of Social Darwinism is not Nazi Eugenics |
maybe not, but the Nazi�s used it.
So in your opinion when someone comes out and says a race, (In this case Australians) of people are genetically inferior what should I do?
Should I perhaps bring up 19th century slave owners or the case of the former Yugoslavia.
The post we have been discussing though probably written in humour, is for anyone with a brain and social conscience very much racist, bigoted and yes, Nazi-like. My mistake as far as the websites is concerned is easily rectifiable as you well know, you only hark back in the interest of winning this argument to satisfy your trollish one upsmanship. This is a serious issue.
Oh and thanks for the trollish editing too. |
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subwoofer
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that's all very well, but...
Would you slip Kelly one or not? |
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stillnosheep
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| The post we have been discussing though probably written in humour, is for anyone with a brain and social conscience very much racist, bigoted and yes, Nazi-like. This is a serious issue. |
No, 2 over lee. The holocaust is a serious issue.The post implying that Australians voted Howard due to being descendants of selfish criminals, the only ones who could survive deportation, was a joke. Comparing this joke to Nazi eugenics is simply ridiculous. Get down off that high-horse buddy.
Who's this KellyChen fella then? Any relation of Ned? |
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2 over lee
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| The holocaust is a serious issue.The post implying that Australians voted Howard due to being descendants of selfish criminals, the only ones who could survive deportation, was a joke. Comparing this joke to Nazi eugenics is simply ridiculous. Get down off that high-horse buddy. |
I would say the holocaust to be somewhat more than a serious issue. The attitude Europeans had towards Jews over the many centuries preceeding it would be what I would refer to as a serious issue.
I never talked about Nazi eugenics, I simply said this kind of racist posteing ( read flame-baiting) was unhealthy. Social Darwanism, often used by slave owners in the 19th century, recieved an absolute death in creditability after a brief revival under the Nazis. Calling someone a spick can also be a joke but I simply don�t think this discussion forum should be a place for such racist jokes. But thanks for the debate SNS, obviously nobody else cares and Robert got his fight without even turning up.
To subwoofer, yes I�d definately slip her one, and I�d also slip her a burger too.
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subwoofer
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| To subwoofer, yes I�d definately slip her one, and I�d also slip her a burger too. |
Blimey, you know how to show a girl a good time!
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