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spidey
Joined: 29 Jun 2004
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Location: Web-slinging over Japan...
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Great Wall of Whiner...
I must compliment you on your avatar...it is truly unique. The best I've seen yet!
Did you do it yourself?
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:01 am Post subject: |
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are you for real???  |
Hey, nolefan,
I do beliieve the first poster, honestly I do! I know every bit he claims happens thousands of times all over this bloody market; the combination of all of them is not necessarily surprising either!
It sound very frustrating to read it this way, but the fact is we are not being taken seriously! |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: |
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British Bulldog,
I'll try to use simpler words, so you can understand me. I have to say that I agree with the other responses - that you are not for real.
Your English is too reminiscent of many Chinese IELTS students I have met. They believe their grammar is very good, but still make basic mistakes like confusing do/does, he/she, etc. But it is possible to understand these students, but at the same time it's difficult for them to overcome these simple faults, as they were never corrected at an early stage or they never listened to the teacher when being corrected. The latter is more probable.
You are probably a student of the University who had a rough ride or some grievance. Perhaps you even cheated (very common in China), were found out and now seek some form of revenge in the only way you can. By attempting to paint a bad picture of this establishment, you hope to discourage new teachers. This is all conjecture, but you'll forgive me for using my powers of reason & deduction, I would love to stoop to your level of automated subservience and endless memorisation, but my brain cells work in a different way from yours.
Your name 'British Bulldog' is also a dead giveaway. I'm English and so let me explain further - perhaps you will be able to concentrate for a few seconds on my words - if you can drag yourself away from your precious mobile phone:
Unfortunately in the last twenty years it has gained connotations of extreme right-wing political parties (BNP & NF) or overt patriotism. The overwhelming majority of British teachers here, would never use such a name, as would feel uncomfortable or just plain silly with it.
However, that said, I could be wrong. In the highly unlikely event that you are for real, then may I make a few recommendations? I think you will be interested as you did post your notice for General Discussion.
1. Leave the University immediately. It's not the place for a person of your undoubted talents. I'd hate to see somebody with such a fine grasp of my native tongue being unhappy.
2. Burn all your teaching books or give them to somebody who can use them properly.
3. Return to Britain and get a job working in McDonalds or stacking shelves in a supermarket - this is where your true vocation lies.
4. Do not teach ever again, Chinese students' English is bad enough already without individuals like yourself making it worse.
I do so look forward to your next post, as it will be immensely amusing. |
Roger comments:
Listen, Shipshape, I am in a morose mood today. I have read one post after another in this thread, including yours; I immediately responded to that other guy who tried to disprove Brityish something, but your rejoinder is way OVER the top!
Sorry, don't anger me any further with such nonsensical claims: the initial post is not written in the Chinglish we all suffer every day, which, by the way, I hardly understand!
I do not agree with British something about the importance of grammar; he should have a more welcoming and serious attitude to it, and he certainly should work on his own writing.
But by gosh, this person is expressing his raw opinions on things that many of us have been witnessing for years! I have not the least tiny doubt that every claim he makes has a basis in facts!
I do feel pissed off because of this haughty attitude towards international English teachers on the part of our CHinese overlords!
I have a nice employer, but at the same time, I deem them scum!
I am free to make as much dough as I like; at the same time I know they are making money from every little opportunity, including charging students extra for English lessons under western teachers.
They want to charge us for taking Chinese lessons too!
They don't give us leave, they force us to bow out whatever the reason might be for our wishing to take a few days off. Of course, we have to pay a penalty.
Yet, our university is in breach of many contractual clauses, and never owns up to them.
That is the NORM in this bloody (sorry, as said above: I am slightly miffed today!) country and its despotic education swamp!
Don't forget, we are not even allowed, let alone supposed to, teach grammar to our students, yet we have to communicate with functionally illiterate English students (do they know that the final 'S' in a word like goes must be pronounced as 'S'???).
Many of us double as figureheads AND resources - we have to create materials fit for our bloody useless lessons because these bloody schools scrimp and save every fen, and divert all those fat kuais to their own bank accounts!
Hosiannah! |
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ShapeSphere
Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 386
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Dear Roger and his red mist,
Thank you for your comments. You may be in a morose or angry mood today, but don't think I am going to lie down and be used as your doormat, just because you have had a bad day. We've all had bad moments in China, but it shows extreme weakness of mind to seek a scapegoat. I had expected something more of somebody of your proven intellect. You disappoint me.
This forum is for expression of opinions, facts, advice, etc., something lacking in this country in which we all inhabit. Hence, the simple fact, that many of us are more opinionated than usual.
In my opinion the message from British Bulls**t was Chinglish through and through. I gave evidence to support my belief, and I am utterly amazed that you would think otherwise. But I respect your opinion, but your supporting arguments were insipid and insubstantial.
I have met many British people here in China and a lot more back in Britain (they tend to live there in large numbers), and only the most poorly educated of individuals would ever have such an atrocious grasp of their native language. British people may not know every grammar rule found in Murphy's/whatever, but they would surely know about do/does? Even the most demented and moronic bouncer (doorman) at a nightclub would know that!
Once you have calmed down and curtailed your tantrum, then please attempt to think about it. Do you really think such an imbecile would have ever possessed the gumption to move to China? It's simply a Chinese student behaving like a child. Nothing new there.
However, as said in my previous post, I could be wrong, therefore alternative advice was given, albeit with a rather large slice of sarcasm.
If you don't like my opinions, then tough. I will do and say what I like, when I like to whom I like.
Last thing, I think British Bulldog is 'laughing' at this thread. It's probably all just a wind up. In my opinion.
Everything's 'shipshape' here thank you. |
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Dan__
Joined: 04 Aug 2004
Posts: 87
Location: Hangzhou
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:18 am Post subject: |
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I'm with ShapeSphere.
No way is this guy a British teacher, teaching English in China. At the very least, English is not his native language -- perhaps he immigrated to the UK?
WAY too many examples and evidence from his original post to list here, but just for fun, here's a couple:
Where the hell is Xingtai? I've been in China several years, but never heard of it. Wouldn't a fellow foreigner at least identify the province in his original post?
As s.s. pointed out, he's got do/does mixed up all over the place.
He wrote "factorys" and "enemys."
He's been in China 7 months, and has 6 Z visas in his passport? I don't think so. Since when do they issue Z visas valid for one month?
Some Chinese-style English phrases used:
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That said, Roger is right that much of what he writes about does go on. I question the OP's motives, though. |
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Norman Bethune
Joined: 19 Apr 2004
Posts: 731
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Dan__ wrote: |
I'm with ShapeSphere.
No way is this guy a British teacher, teaching English in China. At the very least, English is not his native language -- perhaps he immigrated to the UK?
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Maybe he is a British teacher. His passport says he is. In China, that document qualifies him as a "foreign teacher". It doesn't qualify him as a "native speaker", however.
The possibility is that he is indeed, British bred, born, and reared.
I have encountered some native englsih speaking teachers from Britain who use the english language (oral and written) worse than the OP.
A white english speaking face can get a job teaching english in China easily, even if the english it is speaking and writing is horrible. Just look at some of the people the Franchise schools hire (people without high school diplomas as Doses) . |
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ShapeSphere
Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 386
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Norman,
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| Maybe he is a British teacher. His passport says he is. |
You have seen his passport? Where are you? Sat next to him?
Please enlighten us on how you are privy to such information.
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I have encountered some native englsih speaking teachers from Britain who use the english language (oral and written) worse than the OP.
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Now that takes some beating. Norman, where are you from, if I may ask? |
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British
Joined: 30 Oct 2004
Posts: 133
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm What can I say!
For everyone's information I am British I came from a small city called Portsmouth it is in England were I was born ok.
Maybe I should have just put my username as British 007 and as for anyone's information I hate the NF,BNP "may they burn in hell" I am British and I'm married to a chinese woman here in China so don't think that my username British bulldog means that I'm a member of the BNP.
Xingtai is in the Hebei province it's two hours on a train from Shijiazhuang city and four hours from Beijing if you like to know.
If you look on here http://www.xingtai.gov.cn you will find the Xingtai government web site.
If you look on here http://www.xttc.edu.cn you will find this university web site and see this university for your self in English and Chinese
In this university there are three foreign teachers here one from British,New Zealand,Africa and soon this month Australian. as you will see on this web site a map were Xingtai is.
I hate people think I am telling lie's, you don't know anything about me just as a teacher in China who wanted to make friends on here, in the future I will not ask for anyone's help again or what they think!.
I have many friends here in China but we never pick on are grammer words in are email to each other it just so silly to pick.
I have joined many forums and game forums on the web and made many friends this way but no one as pick on my grammer before unlike you guys on here some of us unlike you have a life and don't care about this.
Just grow up please. |
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British
Joined: 30 Oct 2004
Posts: 133
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm What can I say!
For everyone's information I am British I came from a small city called Portsmouth it is in England were I was born ok.
Maybe I should have just put my username as British 007 and as for anyone's information I hate the NF,BNP "may they burn in hell" I am British and I'm married to a chinese woman here in China so don't think that my username British bulldog means that I'm a member of the BNP.
Xingtai is in the Hebei province it's two hours on a train from Shijiazhuang city and four hours from Beijing if you like to know.
If you look on here http://www.xingtai.gov.cn you will find the Xingtai government web site.
If you look on here http://www.xttc.edu.cn you will find this university web site and see this university for your self in English and Chinese
In this university there are three foreign teachers here one British,New Zealand,Africa and soon this month Australian. as you will see on this web site a map were Xingtai is.
I hate people think I am telling lie's, you don't know anything about me just as a teacher in China who wanted to make friends on here, in the future I will not ask for anyone's help again or what they think!.
I have many friends here in China but we never pick on are grammer words in are email to each other it just so silly to pick.
I have joined many forums and game forums on the web and made many friends this way but no one as pick on my grammer before unlike you guys on here some of us unlike you have a life and don't care about this.
Just grow up please. |
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Sekhmet
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 329
Location: Alexandria, Egypt
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Although I can understand the problems described by the OP (and sympathise), I still have to agree with Shapeshere. I'm British, and having lived in said country for 23 years, in many different parts of the country, I've seen a fair number of different types of "British". I have never heard anybody speak English in Britain as badly as the OP, and I've lived in some... shall we say "interesting" places!!
I also agree with the comment about the username. Although a lot of people might not associate the term "British Bulldog" with anything other than a game, in quite a few areas it is associated with the BNP - something to which most English teachers would not like to be linked(racism etc.)
Anyway BB - if you are a real teacher: good luck, and hopefully it'll be over soon!!! |
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British
Joined: 30 Oct 2004
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Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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"Sekhmet"
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Anyway BB - if you are a real teacher: good luck, and hopefully it'll be over soon!!!
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Thank you my contract will finsh in April 2005 thank god then back home to England with my wife.
If I can change my username I will to British 007.
Bye. |
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SueH
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Location: Northern Italy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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BB,
Which part of Portsmouth do you come from?
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British
Joined: 30 Oct 2004
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Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Dan__"
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I don't think so. Since when do they issue Z visas valid for one month?
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Then come to Xingtai then.
Dan__"
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Where the hell is Xingtai? I've been in China several years, but never heard of it
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You never been to China then?.
Dan__"
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As s.s. pointed out, he's got do/does mixed up all over the place
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When did I ask you to teach me?.
Dan__"
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I'm with ShapeSphere
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Mememememememememememe pick me, "my god"
ShapeSphere"
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If you don't like my opinions, then tough. I will do and say what I like, when I like to whom I like
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I will be unhappy if I was a student in your class god help them with an attitude such as yours to life.
My time to pick this time.
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British
Joined: 30 Oct 2004
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Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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SueH"
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BB,
Which part of Portsmouth do you come from?
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In Stamshaw it's not far from the ferry port, and North end. only someone from Protsmouth in the UK will know what I am talking about.
Bye |
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go_ABs
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
Posts: 507
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| In Stamshaw it's not far from the ferry port, and North end. only someone from Protsmouth in the UK will know what I am talking about. |
Don't be silly. I can find that much about "Protsmouth" by Googling for maps. Try http://uk.multimap.com or www.visitportsmouth.co.uk.
Maybe mentioning something more than names, like "that big old clock building down on Protsmouth St" so that the disbelievers might be converted.
I have to applaud your taking criticism for your grammar on your first post and making no attempt whatsoever to do better in your subsequent posts. Takes guts, in my opinion. |
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