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Expulsion for not speaking English?
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dmb



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guilty of doing the same thing on the metro. Occasionally someone, within earshot, does understand English. Can be embarrassing Embarassed
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peligro wrote:
this is very off-topic! But does anyone else think this is rude?
Well i work at a store and I am a cashier, and sometimes while I am ringing a customer through, they start talkign to their spouse or w/e in a foreign language and ignore me. Like I dunno, I am trying to serve them and they just talk cuz they know I can't understand.


If you are a cashier, then I don't see what there is about private conversations between customers that should be of concern to you. I'm not trying to be rude in my response, but I don't see why two people who share a common first language should carry on a conversation with each other in a second language for the convenience of others who may hear them. However, it would be a different story if you were in a social situation with them. In that case, if they knew how to speak your language, I think it would be rude of them to speak in a language you didn't understand.

On the very rare occasions when I'm out and about (stores, public transportation, restaurants, wherever) with someone whose first language is English, we talk to each other in English. I see no reason to speak in Spanish (for my particular location) just so a cashier, people sitting behind us on a bus, or people at the next table in a restaurant can listen to our conversation.

Just my humble opinion.
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think anyone who attends a "school" that uses a fascist, bootcamp approach to learning should have his/her head examined.
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Peligro



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you are a cashier, then I don't see what there is about private conversations between customers that should be of concern to you. I'm not trying to be rude in my response, but I don't see why two people who share a common first language should carry on a conversation with each other in a second language for the convenience of others who may hear them. However, it would be a different story if you were in a social situation with them. In that case, if they knew how to speak your language, I think it would be rude of them to speak in a language you didn't understand.


no no what i mean is liek they are buying something and I'll say something like "IS that everything today?" and then they will say ya then just start talking like as im handing them their change and putting their items in a bag they just ignore me and talk to eachother. ratehr than saying "thank-you" or just waiting
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are rude people everywhere. Some cashiers are very rude, too.
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Peligro



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonraven wrote:
There are rude people everywhere. Some cashiers are very rude, too.

i hope you are not saying I am rude
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:33 am    Post subject: Never mind rude cashiers, everyone's rude - plain fact! Reply with quote

Peligro wrote:
moonraven wrote:
There are rude people everywhere. Some cashiers are very rude, too.

i hope you are not saying I am rude


Unless you know moonraven very well, I would suggest interpreting what she said as a general fact, because it is true. In fact, I would go so far as to say that nearly everybody has the capacity to be rude, no matter what their educational background, socio-economic stratum, profession, etc, etc. Hence, moonraven's comment about "some cashiers" being rude may (also) be based on personal experience.
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lajzar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peligro wrote:
moonraven wrote:
There are rude people everywhere. Some cashiers are very rude, too.

i hope you are not saying I am rude


Moonraven isn't the one stealing a picture from www.shakirarules.de Twisted Evil
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T_Lanc



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris_Crossley wrote;
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Speaking of which, the Scottish Parliament has approved on-the-spot fines of 100 pounds for anybody who smokes in a public place.

Hey Chris

What's the difference between smoking in an enclosed public place and smoking in a public place?

Also, do you think that propagating misinformation is an excusable wrongdoing, in any context?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:48 am    Post subject: Smoking and misinformation Reply with quote

T_Lanc wrote:
What's the difference between smoking in an enclosed public place and smoking in a public place?


None in my book.

T_Lanc wrote:
Also, do you think that propagating misinformation is an excusable wrongdoing, in any context?


Is this a question for Tony Blair or George W? If so, I'm not either of them, sorry ... Confused Confused Confused Confused
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T_Lanc



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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T_Lanc wrote:
What's the difference between smoking in an enclosed public place and smoking in a public place?

None in my book.

So, in your book a public park and a shopping mall are alike; must be an interesting read.

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Is this a question for Tony Blair or George W? If so, I'm not either of them, sorry ...

1 - I guess if they each respond to questions addressed to 'Chris', it's possible. 2 - No need to apologise to me for not having the status of Tony Blair or George W Bush.
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amandajoy99



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, i actually wanted to get back to the original topic, because i found it very interesting.
when i took languages in college, they were always conducted in that language only, from day one. only italian in italian class. only portuguese in portuguese class. it worked really well. i learned fast. so when i went to france to teach english, i wanted to do the same thing - english only. i found quickly that the circumstances were different - i was teaching high school kids, generally not as motivated or interested as college kids. if i spoke english only from day one, they immediately were turned off. "i don't understand. why bother trying?" in the end i found the best strategy was to introduce myself to each class in french. i would say, hey, i speak french. we are going to try to speak only english in this class. if you make a mistake, that's ok - i had to learn french, it was hard, i made lots of mistakes. but you won't learn if we speak french. if we speak only english, we can have fun, we can play games, listen to music, and talk about anything we want, as long as it's in english. that did a couple things - first, it made me seem less distant and foreign to them. i spoke their language. it also kind of made them respect me for speaking french well (kind of a separate, not language learning related issue, though). it made them more comfortable and more willing to try the english-only thing. throwing english only from the beginning would kind of alienate them from me, whereas when i spoke french first it made the speaking english a "group effort."
as to monolingual dictionaries - ideally they are the best thing to use, but you need to achieve a certain level of proficiency before you are able to. beginners need bilingual dictionaries to help them begin to understand basic vocabulary, and to help the whole process not seem so scary. then you can introduce them to thinking, reading, dreaming, entirely in the new language.
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