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***** Level of English: Tokyo v Shanghai *****
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carlspackler



Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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Location: Tochigi

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, words in which the th is unvoiced, the th sound is rendered as an s sound, as in thin, thick, thrombosis, and my favorite Thursday (which becomes Sars Day).
In words where the th is voiced, it becomes a z sound, as in this, that, and heathen.
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jg



Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Ralph Lauren Pueblo

PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think its just Shanghai. I was amazed at how often in small-town (anything under 5 million Very Happy ) China I met people who, after conquering their fear, would come up to me and demonstrate some currency with the language. And when I was living in Shanghai, you could smell the fear - if you don't learn English, you can't compete, and that idea resonates greatly in such a huge, viciously competitive country. Even the people outside of Shanghai, Beijing, etc, want to be competitive. And from having taught both groups in the US, the Chinese seem much better able to grasp English, for whatever reason.

Plus, based on my experiences, Chinese people are really aggressive, they have to be! I haven't been to Japan, but people who have been to both countries always remark on how much more polite the Japanese are... but that goes both ways. Chinese people will pounce on a native speaker in order to better their language skills, they get over their "shyness" pretty quickly.
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AgentMulderUK



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
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Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nismo wrote:
In conclusion, I really pity AgentMulderUK for his lack of social skills, if even enhanced through anonymity on a digital medium. If he acts in real life the way he does on this board, he might be the loneliest man in Japan. Sad


Finished with the personal attacks, boy? You know nothing about me. You, on the other hand, continuously tell us how much you know and how great you are.
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AgentMulderUK



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spawnofsancha wrote:

Agent Mulder UK- it's hard to believe that you're belittling anyone else's experience or education. How long have you been in Japan now? A year?
How did you become an expert on all things Japanese so quickly? Because you read the Japan Times and anything on Japan you can get your hands on.....In English? Leave poor Nismo alone!


Who says I am an 'expert ' on anything Japanese? Certainly not me. Actually I am here because I have to be for various reasons, not because I particularly want to be. As for the length of my experience here, it is rather long on and off (although not in terms of only TEFL - that is relatively short,yes)

Japan Times - sorry, never read it.

Anyway,spawnofsancha, let's call it a day on this one, shall we?
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