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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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I tired that. My grandmother was born to German parents, but according to the law up tp 1974, I think, it can only be passed on by the father and my grandmother was born before 1974, so I-m out of luck. :(but I-m sill going for Romanian citizenship. |
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poro
Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 274
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:04 pm Post subject: Might not make any difference |
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I might be willing to renounce my citizenship, but I doubt it. |
It's quite possible to have dual nationality without the Germans knowing about it, and I know several people who do.
They all had one German parent, and were born in Germany, and so automatically acquired German citizenship. But they also had a foreign parent and qualified for citizenship of the foreign country too. All they did was apply for the foreign passport, which they duly received, and they didn't tell the Germans about it.
One wonders in your case, whether it would be possible to renounce your US citizenship, gain a German passport, then reapply to be an American. |
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butterbrot
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 53
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:41 am Post subject: dual citizenship |
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One wonders in your case, whether it would be possible to renounce your US citizenship, gain a German passport, then reapply to be an American. |
It wouldn't be possible if one had to swear allegiance to another country. The US forbids having dual citizenship if one requires an oath of allegiance and the citizenship wasn't acquired by birth or ancestry. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: dual citizenship |
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butterbrot wrote: |
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One wonders in your case, whether it would be possible to renounce your US citizenship, gain a German passport, then reapply to be an American. |
It wouldn't be possible if one had to swear allegiance to another country. The US forbids having dual citizenship if one requires an oath of allegiance and the citizenship wasn't acquired by birth or ancestry. |
ONe thing that you should do if you want to get dual cit, is go to a notary and swear that by getting another citizenship, you have no intention of giving up your previous one. |
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Shiggy
Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 86
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:29 am Post subject: |
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I doubt I'd have any issues with VISAs or such. I have German ancestry, some of whom still currently reside in Germany. However, my dad was born in the United States and then moved to Germany. |
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butterbrot
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 53
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: dual citizenship |
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naturegirl321 wrote: |
butterbrot wrote: |
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One wonders in your case, whether it would be possible to renounce your US citizenship, gain a German passport, then reapply to be an American. |
It wouldn't be possible if one had to swear allegiance to another country. The US forbids having dual citizenship if one requires an oath of allegiance and the citizenship wasn't acquired by birth or ancestry. |
ONe thing that you should do if you want to get dual cit, is go to a notary and swear that by getting another citizenship, you have no intention of giving up your previous one. |
I don't believe that's possible under German law. If you wish to have German citizenship, I believe you are required to give up your other citizenship, unless you were born in Germany to foreign parents. I'm thinking about the Turkish people, for example, who now have the right to dual-citizenship.
I don't think going to a notary and swearing anything is going to be acceptable documentation for any government but best to check with the authorities in your home country to be sure of the protocol. |
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dagi
Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 425
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dagi
Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 425
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject: from the FAQ |
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My ancestors were German nationals. Can I get a German passport?
German passports are only issued to German citizens. Having German ancestors is unfortunately not enough to attain German citizenship. Rather, your father and/or mother have to have been German citizens at the time of your birth. If you were born before 1 January 1975 and your parents were married, you only attained German citizenship if your father was German at the time of your birth or if your parents submitted a declaration by 31 December 1977 stating they wanted German citizenship for their child. |
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dagi
Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 425
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: another one |
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As well as German nationality, our child has had a second nationality since birth. Does our child have to choose between the two in later life?
No, as far as German law is concerned, if your child automatically had two nationalities at birth, he/she does not have to decide between the two at a later stage. Your child is therefore a permanent holder of dual nationality. In some cases, the law of the other country may however dictate a need to choose. You are asked to contact the competent agency of the other country in such cases (interior ministry or authorities or the foreign missions of the other country.
I/my ancestors was/were denationalized by the National Socialists. Can I get my German citizenship back?
Yes, victims of National Socialist denationalization measures and their descendants have the right to be renationalized in line with Article 116 (2) of the Basic Law even if this means multiple nationality. There is no need to prove knowledge of the German language. Nevertheless it is examined whether the German nationality of the ancestor could have been lost for reasons unrelated to National Socialism. Were this the case, the descendants would have no right to German citizenship. For further advice, please contact the competent German mission covering your place of residence. |
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cubs05
Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Barcelona, Espa�a
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: German citizenship |
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This is an old post, but finishing the thought: dagi is essentially correct but there are a few more wrinkles. Basically, the citizenship law was changed several times and it depends on whether your father or mother were married at the time of your birth.
I'm a US citizen and did obtain dual US/German citizenship through my father. I did not have to give up my US citizenship nor is it at risk. The US State dep't web site has a definitive statement, saying they discourage dual citizens, but they won't do anything.
If you want to know about the German forms and such, I can help steer you to the right places. It actually was easier than I expected, knowing German bureaucracy! |
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cubs05
Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Barcelona, Espa�a
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: German citizenship |
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This is an old post, but finishing the thought: dagi is essentially correct but there are a few more wrinkles. Basically, the citizenship law was changed several times and it depends on whether your father or mother were married at the time of your birth.
I'm a US citizen and did obtain dual US/German citizenship through my father. I did not have to give up my US citizenship nor is it at risk. The US State dep't web site has a definitive statement, saying they discourage dual citizens, but they won't do anything.
If you want to know about the German forms and such, I can help steer you to the right places. It actually was easier than I expected, considering the legendary German bureaucracy! |
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master_kaiser
Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: German citizenship |
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cubs05 wrote: |
I'm a US citizen and did obtain dual US/German citizenship through my father. I did not have to give up my US citizenship nor is it at risk. The US State dep't web site has a definitive statement, saying they discourage dual citizens, but they won't do anything.
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So I'd be correct in assuming that your German father never aquired U.S. citizenship? |
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cubs05
Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Barcelona, Espa�a
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Masterkaiser, that's right. My father is still a resident alien. However, If I remember correctly, it doesn't make any difference if a parent obtains citizenship after the fact. All that mattered is that he was a German citizen at the time I was born. But we didn't have to research that fact, so not completely sure.
In fact, off to see my German relatives in Mannheim tomorrow! |
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Gerhard E. Jene
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 43 Location: London
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: dual citizenship |
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Hi guys
Regardless if it is German or another European country, it will be more of an advantage. With all the paperwork involved in not being a dual citizenship with an EU country is a hassle. Right now I am in the process of getting all the papers I need to prove I am entitled to have a German passport.
The reasoning for this is that one school told me that because of the EU business, they prefer an EU citizen first over someone who is not is because of the paperwork involved. |
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DainaJ
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 62
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: German citizenship |
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cubs05 wrote: |
The US State dep't web site has a definitive statement, saying they discourage dual citizens, but they won't do anything. |
Slight difference, but I think the actual wording is that dual citizenship is "tolerated, but not encouraged." |
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