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[hubei_canuk]

Hamish and Arioch:
I IS Canadaidian. We have excellent helthcare everywhere and everyone has public Health insurance. I have heard that America's hospitals are privatized and in the dark ages.
However the worst of America can't compare soorse thatn Chinese hospitals.
An i have ZERO respect for eveery Chinese doctor i have met in the interior. their minds have been damaged by their education. They have no capability for practical professional health care. They are little better than superstitious peasants.. and greedy beggars an professional liars at that.
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and Hamish.. what you said about "What if that foreigner actually had SARS?" Then he would have been better off at home where he can be sick and die in peace.
There is no treatment for SARS. All the steroids have had dubious use. Spending your last days in a dpressing atmosphere in isolaton is not the way to go. I have a few more years to go than you Hamish but not that much that it matters. What matters is my quality of life and how i die. I prefer to die clean by a PSB bullet then even spend a week in a SARS death room. They won't get me there alive.
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The school didn't do what they did for the foreigner, they did it for themselves. They would send the foreigner to the execution grounds if it gave them an advantage.

[hubei_canuk]

"The school is taking the temperature of all students twice per day but not of any teachers, administrative staff or associated workers.

I explained to the Dean of the Deapartment that everyone should be treated equally in dealing with this issue." - yaco
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"You miss the whole point of my argument. If we are to stop the onset of SARS every student or employee of the school should take the same precautions." yaco
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I'm not arguing with you yaco and i understand you clearly.
Words - smurds
Yadda yadda.
When the chips are done it's a single action that is between life and death.
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You want your temperature taken, that's your business.
I don't give a darn about your "argument" . No one is aking my temperature because that is the ticket to the cattle car and the death ward.
And i'm not going to let the Chinese kill me just because i have a fever from a cold.
They can take my temperature of my dead body.
You can suit yourself and find your own way to die. Save your arguments for your fellow inmates in the deathward.

[MW]

Canuck -

Was that diatribe just tongue in cheek crap or are you serious?

Don't you know that there is an immigration law prohibiting mentally ill people from coming into China?

Your posting may be your very ticket on that feared cattle car to the death camp you are so afraid of.

There are now infrared temperature monitors in many airports around the world. They are also in China and more are coming, even to major train stations.

Better go home quickly before they are installed in Canadian airports. Oops - too late, Toronto has them already.

[Roger]

Crossed the border to Hong Kong yesterday, and saw the following measures taken to intercept travellers with fever:
- Shenzhen side: New white boxes with a light that was green all the time when someone was standing beneath this box; it probably was an infrared thermo reader;

- HK side; a woman stuck a tube with some soft tip into every traveller's ear and declared them "healthy" (at least during my presence there). She quickly disinfected it, I suppose, by dipping it into a container (that perhaps contained the same disinfectant throughout her gruelling ordeal of checking visitors).
If you ask me was it possible to get past any of these controls, I would say, yes, you could possibly sneak past the woman on the HK side, but you could NOT pass with a fever undetected on the Shenzhen side!

[noyb]

For once gotta agree with MT.

Canuk stated:

[hubei_canuk]

"I vote for A, but I'd like to hear Canuk argue for B" - noyb
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I'm not gonna argu for anything here, not much ppoint.
Everybody's stated their opinion so far , people can make their decisions about what to do about Chinese Hospitals. Each individual will just bear the consequences of their judgements and actions.
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BTW, i is glad i is a Canadaidian and i have Canadaidian Hospitals to go to because rihgt now i have ongoing needs for two medical problems which i can only get treatment in Canada simply because China is so medically backward. I will be returning to Canada in the summer for this. hopefully it won't take too long and i can return to my beoved backwards second home away from home.

[MW]

I received first class medical treatment in a British Columbia hospital and it was inexpensive.

Here in China my school provides us with medical care at the local army hospital which is first class in evry way and I pay nothing.

I have received medical care in small tropical hospitals where it is more expensive than in New York.

I have seen the inside of some major Chinese municipal hospitals, particularly in Shenyang where my mother-in-law lays dying and I have tried to move her to a better facility but there just aren't any available.

Like the saying goes, if it is your time to die, try, try as you might, but you will die.

[hubei_canuk]

"Was that diatribe just tongue in cheek crap or are you serious?

Don't you know that there is an immigration law prohibiting mentally ill people from coming into China?

Your posting may be your very ticket on that feared cattle car to the death camp you are so afraid of.

There are now infrared temperature monitors in many airports around the world. They are also in China and more are coming, even to major train stations.

Better go home quickly before they are installed in Canadian airports. Oops - too late, Toronto has them already." - MW
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Ok: MW you say are sane and i am not. You get enough people to agree with you and you have the social definition of sanity.
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Big deal. Means nothing. Just be aware that each person is deciding how to live and how to die with every action they take. Avoid this in the mind or not, it is a reality. Words in these cases are just yadda yada.
So go on and yadda yadda about sanity. You can make your choices and i will make mine.
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Also, please don't misrepresent me. I didn't say anything against taking temperature readings while travelling or anything against Canadian Hospitals or even against the SARS-designated hospital for Foreigners in Beijing.
I will refuse temperature taking in the interior on a daily basis because i will not go to an interior hospital under any circumstances, especially not in the current climate and certainly not for only having a fever. It it comes to force then i would stop teaching and prepare to be forced to leave.
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If i get sick i have a plan: a place i can go where i can either recover or die as it were. I consider that my best option considering my location in China.
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Choose your own life and death, it makes not difference what you call me or other people. The real world is far stranger than you could ever imagine.

[hubei_canuk]

"Crazy? YOU? Never!
I did not say you were crazy. I suggested the authorities may think so.

There is a great difference between how I think and how they think!"
- MW said in private message to me which deserves to be public
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MW
I don't much care what other people think, let alone authorities.
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You don't get arrested in China for being crazy. Everybody here is insane.
THIS IS CHINA!!!
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Nobody is going to do anything to me here in China because unlike Westerners, chinese do not like to create trouble.
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I regard this as an intimidation attempt. I am not afraid of any person or authority. Blow your fearfulness out your ear.
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I am not afraid of the hospitals in the interior, i simply will not go. And realistically i can't imagine any situation that would get me there. Perhaps 20 years of training in fighting and street fights make a difference in attitude and knowing different ways to solve problems.
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BTW i invite someone to read the description of the SARS hospital just built in Beijing.
It is a place of simple isolation. They just wait to see if you will live or die and shove food at you through a window.
If you go willingly to such a place, then you have chosen how to die whether you are aware of it or not.
Your last days in an empty featureless room, people watching you waiting for you to die. It will kill your morale for sure.
Wouldn't people prefer to be sick at home in famililar comfortable surroundings? Well i would. They could come in and disinfect and cart my dead body away afterwards.

[noyb]

[MW]

Canuck -

You exhibited poor judgement in going public with a private communication without first consulting with its sender to ascertain why the original decision to make it private.

I did not require your assistance to make it public. I was very capable of doing so had I wanted to.

While I do not share others negative attitude toward you and I am reluctant to hurl personal insults, I will express my concern that you do invite personal attacks such as the one from NOYB. However, that is no excuse for NOYB's inexcusable behavior. He seems to relish attacking anyone and everyone he disagrees with. Reminds me of a pit bull I had to put to sleep.

[noyb]

[hubei_canuk]

"Quote:
They could come in and disinfect and cart my dead body away afterwards." hubei_canuk
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"For the sake of the gene pool, the sooner the better."
----- some unknown pster labelled noyb said this
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Well it shows we all have deeply divided interests and quite passionate hatred.
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But the funny thing is: I don't even know you nor can remember any significant post you have made.
It seems you have not taken a stand or made any passionate commitment that can imbed itself in my memory to remember you or what you have said.
Could this be our significant personality differences?
Is it that I say what other people never dare to say or think about?
... Just specualting becaue i don't know.
Usually when i tell someone i hate them i say the reason and express an opinion. But you didn't.
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I think you prove that it's a dangerous world and to express ones ordinary opinion about ones own life can bring down a world of hate upon oneself.
Perhaps the sword is mightier than the pen but one must admit the pen is a deadly instument.
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Whatever you do.. enjoy.
Enjoy your hatred whatever it is about.

[hubei_canuk]

"Canuck -
You exhibited poor judgement in going public with a private communication without first consulting with its sender to ascertain why the original decision to make it private.
I did not require your assistance to make it public. I was very capable of doing so had I wanted to.
While I do not share others negative attitude toward you and I am reluctant to hurl personal insults, I will express my concern that you do invite personal attacks such as the one from NOYB. However, that is no excuse for NOYB's inexcusable behavior. He seems to relish attacking anyone and everyone he disagrees with. Reminds me of a pit bull I had to put to sleep." MW
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That's not judgement MW, that's tactics:How to deal with a possible harrasser. You failed to make friends with me before you sent me a PM. My mailbox is like my home. People must knock politely on the door and if i like them or they are my friend i let them in. If i don't like them i don't.
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People have done this to me before. They have some argument that won't stand up in public so they try to get away with saying something out of the public eye. It's like a bully tying to get their victim alone in a small room.
You have nothing private to say to me, you are not my friend and not my personal involvement.
The point of posting in public is to pit one's ideas agiaist all possible reaction. It makes one carefully consider what one has to say.
If you want to insult me, threaten me, intimidate me whatever, you must do it in public.
Stand before Human and God and with courage state your piece.
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Noyb is a success to me in a way. No, i don't want to aggravate people and i don't appreciate the hatred. But it means i have some finger on a pulseline somehow. You might note that my previous posts expressed no hatred to any particular individual or group with the exception of the abstract "commies" only stated how i will try to survive and a wish and independence to survive .
I wonder what they REALLY hate or what they are afraid of.
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Truth? Perhaps it doesn't set them free after all.
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I remember an old commie story.. when the writer finally achieved success and published her first article, she was shot for it.
Sigh... i await the death squad.

[Minhang Oz]

MW,when you say there are laws preventing the entry of the mentally ill into Canada, I hope that doesn't include Canadian citizens showing signs of paranoid delusion:"cattle car","execution grounds"? And I haven't heard anyone use the expression "commie" for years. I teach some senior party members,and they're as communist as Alan Greenspan. Communism is an economic system,not a political one,and China gave up the pretence years ago. At least now I understand why Hubei Canuk doesn't reply to personal messages-I've tried twice-it's "friends only",and because I disagree with him on most things a reply therefore is impossible. An interesting philosophy. Anyway,this is by far the most entertaining thread on the forum.