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waltertoo · Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 22 Location: Saudi Arabia

The teacher who missed class for two days because he had been shot at Sunday and received a bullet in his car and missed two days work because of trauma, but who had returned and fulfilled duties for remaineder of week and whose students did exceptionally well on university exams was informed this morning that he had been terminated for missing those two days.
KFUPM and DCC are the pits of Arabia.
Anyone who wants photo of bullet in his car, I can email one to you.

Mark100 · Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 441

There is a reason why they are advertising constantly and that is they have a very high turn over.

Why do they have a very high turn over rate?

Becasue they are shite.

waltertoo · Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 22 Location: Saudi Arabia

The students of my friend who was terminated at KFUPM have organized a petition to keep the teacher who was fired for being shot at and have submitted it to higher university officials.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Terminated ? At KFUPM ? I think you have your facts wrong. Maybe at DCC ?

waltertoo · Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 22 Location: Saudi Arabia

The Dean of DCC has his office on the main KFUPM campus. check out KFUPM website.

medway · Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Posts: 17

I heard that the security guards took a pot shot at someone else who failed to stop at a check point and a bullet was later found in Robert's car. I haven't heard that he has been fired, but we are all on holiday so its difficult to check. It would seem unlikely. The main issue here is the trigger-happy guards and their poor aim! Most of these young guys have probably had no training and tend to spray bullets in a general direction rather than at someone specific!

In defence of DCC, we advertise constantly because we need more teachers... the only guys who have been terminated while I've been here deserved to go...for incompetent or neurotic behavior.
DCC has an identity problem, I admit, but it's gradually introducing some business majors, and we will move out from under KFUPM's shadow, or wing, whatever...
And the Dean does have an office at our new building, but until he gets a telephone line installed, won't move in...

tonyb · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 3

I've been invited to an interview with DCC in the next few days. I would really love to get some solid intelligence on salary, accommodation, etc from someone who knows first hand.

Anyone care to open a discussion either by posting some facts or perhaps by pm me ?

medway · Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Posts: 17

Unlike Steve Jones, who speaks for his company, I am just providing info on a friendly basis.

DCC hires directly and also uses people through Al FAlak. Al Falak pay about 13 thousand per month but don't provide housing or flights. Also their people are not strictly legal in that they cannot have Iqamas so cannot open bank accounts, buy a car or exit easily to Bahrain. They are accomodated on the Al Falak compound, for which they pay 2000 per month. DCC pays from about 9 to eleven thousand depending on experience and qualifications. Holidays, insurance and flights are all included in the deal.
You do the maths on which you think is the better deal.

Incidentally, DCC singles and couples are also placed on the Al-Falak compound, at no cost to them, secured by watchtowers and dozy guards with machine guns. Families are on another compound in 3-bedroom units.

I can't go into the details of courses , but DCC is teaching the same materials as KFUPM until further notice, while Jubail Industrial has commendably gone over to the Aramco materials.

Stephen Jones · Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124

Bebsi · Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 958

Anyone who confuses a reputable organisation such as KFUPM (the mother institution of DCC) with a private contractor like Al Falak, displays a considerable naivete, lack of knopwledge and I daresay a profound ignorance of the role of the private contractor in the Mid-east TEFL industry.

Let me explain it in simple terms: a large organisation that normally hires people directly and treats them well, sometimes for reasons of expediency hires a private company to provide them with teachers or whatever. Where the contractor hires those teachers, who it hires, how it hires them or what it pays them in terms of salary and benefits is largely a matter for that particular contracting company, not the client organisation. In other words, the dreaded MIDDLEMAN!! The middleman is there to make money, he is a private entrepreneur. So, Buyer, or in this case, Teacher, BEWARE.

KFUPM is a large goverment organisation, that generally provides a fairly comprehensive package to its direct hire employees. AF, on the other hand, as a private contractor, is trying to provide the service (teachers) as cheaply as possible to itself while maximising its revenue from the client and therefore, its margins. Use your heads guys: who would you prefer to work for? The parent organisation or the middle-man?

Anyone out there among you who doesn't understand this relationship, is doomed to exploitation not only in the mid-east but everywhere in TEFL or indeed in any industry. TEFL, however, seems to have a far higher ratio of commercially-ignorant people than any other industry, sadly.

It seems to me that KFUPM is far from happy with the services provided by AF and is now reverting to direct hire as its main policy. Maybe it never ceased to be its main policy; perhaps it was necessary in the reality of commerce to use a contractor. Business is a tough world. If you want charity, I would suggest Oxfam!!!!

4u2nv · Joined: 24 May 2003 Posts: 7

Ghutra man says,

From what I understand all the teachers at DCC are being forced to move over to direct hire contracts with the univeristy at considerably lower salaries than what they are on now. a typical teacher on a current contract would be making approx. 15000 riyals but they are now being asked to accept a salary that is about 4-5000 less. Ok, you may argue that they give you accommodation allowance, but with 1500 riyals a month you don't get very far. Twisted Evil

Response
You can't say they are forced if they agree! this people are told not forced to choose if they prefare to accept to move in a proper contract or stay floating with their agency which doesn't give them all the benefits.

Ghutra man says,
I'm glad I did a runner last year and moved to a school that respects a qualified and experienced teacher.

Response
Yeh! maybe you're the person I've heard who always have bottle of alcohol in his bag everytime you cross the boarder. and the one who has unstable mind.

Ghutra man says,
Be careful about these people at the UNI and DCC they really are lying Twisted Evil . Laughing

Response
I may not be a teacher, but I know many things about this people who works in this company. who wants to keep their job because this is the place to get a stable job not anywhere else, where they hired and fired people easily. I've known some friends who lived here for 17 to 20 years and they are quite happy working here because they manage to buy their house in England.

spicegirl · Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 112

There, there ..... go and have a little lie down.

johnyarrington · Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 66 Location: Saudi Arabia

Dear 4u2nv, re: your post of 17 April, 05:

This was extremely difficult to read! Who are you talking to??!! Yourself??!! Are you quoting?? Whom are you quoting??!! Which post are you quoting??!! Which part of your post is you, and which part of it is your quote of someone else??? I finally figured out that you were writing to Ghutra Man, from the heading, but in the body, it was really unclear.
This is one of the reasons I rarely post anymore. Too much heat, not nearly enough light.

"Their wer sew many speling misstakes, grammer error, punkchuation broblems, subjec vurb disagrements, inkorrec hominims, 'n slang an stuf......"

it was like, PAINFUL to read this!

Have a nice day.

Are you an English teacher?

veiledsentiments · Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA

What an incoherent rant. At the end it finally says he is not a teacher. If so, then what was the point? Actually I doubt that this person is a native speaker of English - or if so, let's just be thankful he isn't a teacher.

VS

Stephen Jones · Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124

4u2env is medway's wife. Every now and again he leaves the key around, and she escapes to the computer rather like a modern day version of Rochester's first wife.

Last time this happened medway took over control of the moniker himself and, in reparation, posted two of the better posts to grace this forum.

I'm told he's very careful about not leaving matches around though.