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That two years' experience requirement...
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Spiderman Too



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not doubt that everything Talkdoc has written is factual. However, the application (interpretation?) of the law does, in fact, vary from province-to-province, from government instrumentality-to-government instrumentality and from school-to-school.

For example, the income tax law. For my salary of 5,000 RMB my university pays 75 RMB income tax per month on my behalf. Why? Because the Bank of China refused/refuses to convert 70% of my salary into US dollars in the absence of an income tax receipt.

And what of the 70% rate of conversion? Recently a forum contributor wrote of his/her frustration arising from his/her school's insistence that Chinese law stipulated he/she could convert a maximum of 30% of his/her monthly salary.

How many Chinese nationals actually know Chinese law? How many Chinese nationals actually know what they are doing?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peggiescott wrote:
I came here with no "teaching" experience. My background (the part they cared about) is in alternative science education. Museums, university enrichment programs for K-12 students, that sort of thing. I obtained my Z visa before I left the States and have a Foreign Expert's Certificate. I work at a public college. Did my recruiter lie? I don't think so.

A new arrival in our little berg has a background in social work and led life skills classes. They have both the Z visa and the Foreign Expert's Certificate.


Peggie, you are correct; the requirement does not specifically state that the experience has to be in teaching. One of the foreign teachers here has a master's degree in business and had accumulated many years of business experience (but none teaching) and was hired to teach in the business department. What is considered relevant experience really does vary by the institution's particular needs.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiderman Too wrote:
How many Chinese nationals actually know Chinese law? How many Chinese nationals actually know what they are doing?


Spiderman, I agree with you completely that there are rather remarkable differences in how each province interprets and implements policies coming out of Beijing. A perfect example has been illustrated here numerous times by those attempting to acquire Chinese driver's licenses. Some provinces make it very cumbersome, time-consuming and costly and others, like Hainan, virtually hand them over to foreigners for 170 RMB.

So, naturally, regarding the finer points of foreign expert affairs regulations, there will be varying degrees of interpretation and implementation; that is to be expected. However, when it comes to the following statement of law: "a bachelor's degree and at least two years of experience," I just don't see what the gray area could possibly be in anyone�s mind or why this simple statement of fact should generate so much confusion and conjecture on this forum as to what constitutes "teaching legally" in China. The only part of this question (regarding qualifications) that is truly confusing, as I see it, are the various speculations regarding which particular provinces choose to enforce which parts of it and in what ways and, then, attempting to predict just when that customary level of enforcement might change. I don't think anyone here will ever be able to answer that one. Of course, if one does possess a bachelor's degree and at least two years of experience, the question is entirely moot and the answers are completely irrelevant.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TalkDoc, I may be streering slightly off topic on this one, but just a quick quick question:

Is a 6000 RMB p/mth salary,
accommodation provided,
20 hrs p/week teaching,
living on campus,

...a fair deal for the Shanghai area ?

CG
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