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JZer
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| There is such a thing as academic freedom--which, if you really WERE a graduate student, you would be aware of. |
If you were such a proponent of academic freedom and intellectual searching as you say you are, you might see that I am interested in learning other people's perspectives on this matter but since you are a troll you seem to think that all I want to do is attack you. Furthermore I am trying to see if I should change my stance on this matter. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| People can use whatever translations they want to in EFL classes--even if they translated the works themselves from Urdu. There is such a thing as academic freedom--which, if you really WERE a graduate student, you would be aware of. |
Moonraven, there may be academic freedom but that does not mean that using any method you would like makes sense. Maybe I like the grammar approach to teach foreign languages. Just because I prefer it and have academic freedom to use it does not mean that it is the method that should be used. |
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AsiaTraveller
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Looks like JZer is really getting value-for-money from that low-cost MA program he's enrolled in. He's learning so much about language teaching in that program that he feels the need to get responses from anonymous people on a public Internet forum. That's research!! 
JZer: Why not ask your German professors what they think about using texts translated from other languages in German-language courses? Oh, you've asked them? And now you want to ask ESL/EFL instructors? What's your goal? |
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moonraven
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He's not in an MA program, and he has zero knowledge of German. (You have to graduate from high school and then have an undergraduate degree before you can be accepted in an MA program.)
He tells us he is considering changing his stance--I hope that means that he will take his trolling to more age-appropriate sites. |
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JZer
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AsiaTraveller, I have asked two professors. They both agree that translated text from a third language (a language other than the one being taught or the language that is used as the mode of instruction by the university or school) should rarely be used in a foreign language classroom.
Secondly you keep on bugging me about the low costof my M.A. program. I would have paid the same amount at every university that accepted me. I did not choose the program that was cheaper.
AsiaTraveller, what is your goal? Is it to harass me because I don't believe that it is wise to spend $23,000 U.S. a year to get an M.A. in EFL unless it is your only option? |
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JZer
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Moonraven h�lt die Klappe. Bist du 12? |
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moonraven
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I have indicated on this forum that I am 60, and that you are 15.
As for my "shutting the f--- up", I am afraid that suggestion has been made to you, in more polite terms, by a number of posters--including myself.
This has gone quite far enough. Your posts are not only abusive, they simply go in circles and do not advance any dialog about education--not on this thread, nor on any other.
And consulting a page of phrases in Internet doesn't indicate that you know anything about German. Especially a teenage page like True Nonsense! |
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AsiaTraveller
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I did not choose the program that was cheaper. |
But that's precisely what you repeatedly advised others to do (here on these forums): use price and free/low tuition as the main factor in choosing a graduate program. Why was that advice not good enough for you?
My goal? To figure out how you could possibly refer to yourself as a "deep thinker" while you continually raise shallow concerns and give shallow advice. |
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Stephen Jones
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| One of the goals of this method is for foreign language students to learn about the cultures that use the language and the belief that students cannot master the language until they have mastered the cultural context in which the language is used. |
By which yardstick I would be incapable of understanding American, Canadian or Australian English - mind you, reading some posts on this forum makes me suspect I don't.
Do bear in mind though that the students will probably get more out of reading 'Faust' in their own language than they will out of reading it in English. If there is a good reason for using the text, the fact that it is a translated one should not matter. But if you are simply choosing texts for the students to read to increase their command of English, it is better to chose texts originally written in that language. Translating imposes its own constraints on style. |
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