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tw
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| Dang it, I should get phone numbers of people working in Harbin and Shenyang so maybe one of you can mail me a hockey stick!!! I couldn't find one in Dalian and Dalian is in the northeast! Anyone here in Shenyang and have you seen hockey sticks (ice NOT field) being sold? |
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tony lee
Joined: 03 Apr 2004
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| "7) A written guarantee of no more than 25 hours per work week (M-F) " |
considering most teachers have only 16 to 18 LESSONS a week and get paid say 4000 a month, then 25 hours a week and 6000 a month is not any more money per hour. In fact if you factor in all the other fixed benefits the 6000 is way less per hour than the 4000
The other thing to watch out for is that some private schools really do mean 60 minutes in front of a class when they talk about an hour, while most places mean 45 or 50 minutes.
Supply and demand is what sets salaries - or is starting to, and qualifications are becoming less and less important as thousands of REAL teachers - meaning experienced classroom teachers having worked in high school classrooms for 30 years, very often in English and ESL fields and often with Masters anyway -- and who really are in it just for the adventure and so don't care too much about the salary, are entering the job market in direct competition with snotty-nosed masters graduates with no teaching skills whatsoever.
Why pay more and get less.
Some public universities have woken up and pay the same rate for any qualifications and are not willing to negotiate on anything.
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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Location: Suzhou, China
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| considering most teachers have only 16 to 18 LESSONS a week and get paid say 4000 a month, then 25 hours a week and 6000 a month is not any more money per hour. |
Who said I was "only" making 6000 - bump that number up by a few thousand. And when I said 25 hours, I didn't mean periods. I mean, 5 hours a day, 5 days a week. (I'm sure I'll be spending a little time on my own with lesson plans, but I'm an old hand with those. I usually don't need a whole lot of time in beyond-the-classroom work activities) My lessons will be with one group of kids (20 to 25) for each subject, every day. No more running from classroom to classroom getting to know hundreds of students' names and learning abilities. My lessons will be 35 minutes each.
But, not to hijack this thread too much . . . negotiations can work. If you are professional and don't ask for the moon, then you can often get a little more than their initial offerings. Be sure you are clear as to why you are asking for something extra. If you have a ton of experience and perhaps some really good references, sell them on your abilities. It might be worth it to a school to pay someone an extra thousand with the possibility that they are going to get a quality teacher instead of a so-called "backpacker". |
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Pericles77
Joined: 30 May 2005
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Location: Edmonton/Harbin
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:30 am Post subject: |
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snotty-nosed masters graduates with no teaching skills whatsoever.
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I sincerely hope this wasn't a reference to me. |
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wonderd
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Location: Shanghai, China
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| As far as a contract goes, it doesn't hurt to ask for more. I've done this before and had a few perks that I wouldn't have had prior. Anyways, I think it really depends on where in China you plan to teach. I'm in Shanghai, and the salaries I've seen being posted are quite a bit lower than here. Most of the people I have met in Shanghai are around 10,000 a month, including accomdation allowance. |
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