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JZer



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clark wrote,
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I have no idea how many people have taken advantage of the scheme to come to Taiwan, but if no one has done so then that is by their choice not the government of Taiwan.


Clark,

It is sort of like food pantries and homeless shelters in the west. Despite the fact that western countries provide food for homeless people there are still homeless people who refuse to take advantage of the services.
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is sort of like food pantries and homeless shelters in the west. Despite the fact that western countries provide food for homeless people there are still homeless people who refuse to take advantage of the services.


Taiwan will not grant holiday working permits to non Chinese.
The Taiwan Economic office in Australia is not foolish enough to implement a bilateral agreement with additional unilateral restrictions based on race. That would leave them open to litigation because as we all know Taiwan is not a real country and does not have diplomatic protections afforded real countries or their embassies.
Instead TECO refers all applicants for the working holiday visa to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Taiwan. MOFA instructs all the applicants that they have to come to their office on Taiwan after they arrive on a landing permit which cannot be changed into any other type of visa.

New Zealand has not implemented the agreement and will not until Taiwan complies with it's obligations. The New Zealand government is waiting for Australia to deal with the problems or scrap the agreement.
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
Taiwan will not grant holiday working permits to non Chinese.


Yet again a post from Aristotle that has absolutely no verifiable source.

There is no evidence that the above is any more than a figment of Aristotles imagination.

Aristotle wrote:
Instead TECO refers all applicants for the working holiday visa to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Taiwan. MOFA instructs all the applicants that they have to come to their office on Taiwan after they arrive on a landing permit which cannot be changed into any other type of visa.

New Zealand has not implemented the agreement and will not until Taiwan complies with it's obligations. The New Zealand government is waiting for Australia to deal with the problems or scrap the agreement.


Source? Source? Source?

I don' t know why you even bother posting this kind of stuff here Aristotle without a source. Surely it is clear to everyone that the reason you never provide sources is that you have none.

Oh and how is that you magically know so much about the New Zealand situation now, when just three posts ago you were suggesting that Australia was the only country involved with working holiday work permits?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might try to contact the Taiwan Economic office in Australia to see what they about someone trying to get a holiday work permit for Taiwan. Then we can straighten this out once and for all.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what was printed on the TECO website and I find it hard to believe that they would not follow what was posted as an offical bi-lateral agreement with Australia.

Directly from the website:

Visitor Visas for Working Holiday Makers (Working Holiday Visas)



I. Significance of the Working Holiday Schemes

The ROC government enters into Arrangements on a working Holiday Scheme with foreign governments in order to promote people-to-people exchanges, encourage and enhance the interaction of ROC youth with those of other countries, and increase mutual understanding. The primary intention of working holiday makers for coming to Taiwan is to holiday, but they may supplement their funds and to experience a foreign culture through incidental employment. Therefore, this scheme shall not apply to those who seek full-time jobs, to study, or to stay for long periods for other purposes. The ROC visas issued shall be marked with ��WH��



II. Notes for Working Holiday Visa Holders

(1) Validity of Visa

The visa is valid for a period of 12 months. Visa holders may enter Taiwan from the date of issue until the date of expiry of the visa.



(2) Duration of Stay

The initial duration of stay shall be 180 days, which may be extended for no more than another 180 days while the visa is still valid. Application for extensions shall be made to the city or county police bureau of the place where the working holiday maker stays 15 days prior to the initial duration of stay expires. Visa holders shall leave Taiwan before their visa expires.



(3) Entries

Working holiday makers shall be issued multiple entry visas, which allow for multiple entries to and exit from the Republic of China during the validity of the visa.



(4) Activities after Entrance

1. Work permit not needed

As long as in accordance with the purpose of entry, working holiday makers may work legally during their stay in the Republic of China to earn their living expenses. However, they should not work for the same employer for more than 3 months. In addition, holders of working holiday visas should not work for the entire one year of their visit. In accordance with Article 4 of ��Regulations Governing the Permits for Employing Foreigners and Management��, working holiday visas issued by the ROC Embassy, Consulate and overseas missions shall be regarded as work permits. Therefore, visa holders do not need to apply for a work permit with the Council of Labour Affairs of the Executive Yuan. However, those who engage in professional or technical work shall meet the necessary qualification and laws of registration for practice required by the Republic of China. In addition, visa holders should not work for longer than the validity of the visa. For more information on related employment regulations, please log on to the website of the Bureau of Employment and Vocational Training of the Council of Labour Affairs of the Executive Yuan:

http://www.evta.gov.tw/english/evta-en-index.files/evta-en-index.htm



2. Study Time Limit

As the main purpose of working holiday makers is not full-time studies, applicants cannot undertake any formal courses other than Chinese language courses in Taiwan of no more than 3 months duration. The language centers of Universities recognized by the Ministry of Education shall be based on the latest list announced by the Ministry of Education. Please browse the website of ministry of find this information:

http://www.edu.tw/EDU_WEB/MGT/BICER/EDU0056001/c263.htm



3. As for tax payment related to employment, please refer to the website of the National Tax Bureau of the Ministry of Finance in Kaohsiung City:

http://www.ntak.gov.tw/home/index.asp and

http://www.ntak.gov.tw/ntak-eng/service/guide.asp



4. Information for foreigners, please browse:

http://www.npa.gov.tw//iff





II. Qualifications for Visa Applicants

In accordance with the Working Holiday Scheme Arrangements signed between the Republic of China and other countries, citizens of contracting countries who have meet the following qualifications may apply for working holiday visas:



(1) Nationality: Applicants shall be citizens of contracting countries and shall have not been a previous recipient of an ROC working holiday visa.

(2) Purpose: Applicants must prove to the ROC Embassy, Consulate and overseas missions issuing the visas that their primary intention is to holiday in the ROC, with employment being an incidental rather than a primary reason for the visit and will leave the ROC before the visa expires.

(3) Age: The age of applicants shall between 18 and 30 years, both inclusive, at the time of application.

(4) Family members of working holiday visa holders, including spouse and children, shall not apply for visas as dependents to come along.

(5) Validity of passport: When submitting an application, the applicants�� passport should be valid for more than 12 months upon planned arrival in the ROC.

(6) Valid flight ticket: Applicants must hold a round trip flight ticket or have financial proof of the capability to purchase it.

(7) Living expenses: Applicants shall be required to have at least NT$ 100,000 or an equivalent amount of foreign currency as their living expenses during their stay in the ROC.

(Cool Medical insurance: Applicants shall have full medical and hospitalization insurance during their stay in the ROC.



III. Required documents

1. Visa Application form for Working Holiday Makers (Applicants shall fill and sign the form);

2. Passport valid for more than one year planned in the ROC;

3. Two 2-inch colour photos taken within 6 months;

4. Round trip flight ticket or proof of the capability to purchase it;

5. Financial proof of at least NT$ 100,000 of living expenses (such as travellers check or bank statement);

6. Proof of full medical and hospitalization insurance during the stay in the ROC;

7. Visa fee:NT$2,400(US$72);

8. Health certificate is required for Australian applicants according to the Working Holiday Scheme Arrangements signed between ROC and Austrlia;

9. Other required documents as required.



IV. Applicable country

New Zealand (Effective from June 1,2004);Australia(Effective from November 1 ,2004)



�� Notes:

1. Place of application: Applicants shall apply for visas at the ROC Embassy, Consulate and overseas missions in the applicable country.

2. Delivery of documents: Documents shall be sent by applicants themselves, or by a commissioned a proxy or travel agency, but visa officers may request and interview with the applicants.

3. Regulations after entry: Working holiday visa holders shall not apply for changing to other types of visas based on other reasons once they enter the ROC.

4. Visa application refusal: In accordance with Article 12 of the Statute Governing Issuance of ROC Visas on Foreign Passports, the ROC government has the right to deny the issue of a visa without disclosing the reason. In addition, in accordance with Article 7 of Standard Fee Rates for ROC visas on Foreign Passports, ��if visa applications are denied, the application fees charged are not refundable.��
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my query to TECO:

To whom it may concern:
>
> I am planning on applying for a working holiday visa in order to work
and travel
> in Taiwan. I was wondered if I would be issued this visa in Australia
or after
> entering Taiwan. Thank you for your time.
>
> Sincerely,
> #####

and the responce from TECO:

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Dear James,

You have to apply the visa before you go to Taiwan. You can browse our
website www.teco.org.au for further information.

Since we have three offices in different areas, please tell me where do
you live in Australia, then I can tell you which office you should lodge in
the form.

Regards,
Shirley Wu
TECO Canberra
Consular Division
ph: 02-6120 1011
email: [email protected]


It does not seem that there is any problem with obtaining a holiday work permit before leaving Australia.
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done Jzer.

Well that seems to nix yet another of Aristotles baseless claims, but more importantly it reveals the facts. There seems little point in having a message forum that spreads untruths and mis-stated facts. Actually there is a website that does exactly this very thing:

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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You have to apply the visa before you go to Taiwan. You can browse our
website www.teco.org.au for further information.

Since we have three offices in different areas, please tell me where do
you live in Australia, then I can tell you which office you should lodge in
the form.

Regards,
Shirley Wu
TECO Canberra
Consular Division
ph: 02-6120 1011
email: [email protected]

That is not an answer, that is called the run around.
They didn't even give you a link to the form for this visa because there is none.
You must enter the territory controlled by the ROC on Taiwan on a landing visa then try to get the local authorities to change that into a tempoary Open Work Permit and ARC for you after you arrive (not likely).
*Visitor Visas for Working Holiday Makers (Working Holiday Visas)
That is impossible because there is no such thing as a short term Open Work Permit. If you want to work on Taiwan, you will have to apply for a single employment work permit like all other non Chinese on Taiwan.
To date there are no reports of any non Chinese successfully applying for this visa because it not issued to non Chinese on Taiwan.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
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You have to apply the visa before you go to Taiwan. You can browse our
website www.teco.org.au for further information.


You must enter the territory controlled by the ROC on Taiwan on a landing visa then try to get the local authorities to change that into a tempoary Open Work Permit and ARC for you after you arrive (not likely).


Why should anyone believe you and follow this advice Aristotle?

Jzer has taken the time to find out from the horses mouth and the process has been explained quite clearly. What makes you so confident that your advice is correct? Surely you should accept some responsibility for the information you post, and be accountable for what you say. So please provide some evidence that what you state is in fact the way to get the correct visa. On one hand you are saying that the visa doesn't even exist, and on the other you are saying that it is only available in Taiwan.

Aristotle wrote:
That is impossible because there is no such thing as a short term Open Work Permit.


Well it may not be called a short term open work permit, but there is most certainly a way that people from certain countries can work in Taiwan on a short term basis legally. If you want to continue to refuse the obvious, that is your choice, but you will only make yourself look silly.

Aristotle wrote:
To date there are no reports of any non Chinese successfully applying for this visa because it not issued to non Chinese on Taiwan.


This statement indicates that people have applied but been refused this visa. Do you have evidence that this is the case?

Alternately, no one has ever actually applied for one. Or possibly there are people working in Taiwan right now on this type of visa. How can you be so sure that no one is here on such a visa?
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