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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: tefl howler Reply with quote

A 100% with howlers like this:

''Is the Caledonian School of any recognition?''
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: tefl howler Reply with quote

31 wrote:
A 100% with howlers like this:

''Is the Caledonian School of any recognition?''


I'm not sure what you're complaining about? I simply asked if the Caledonian school was worthwhile to look into studying at.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmm, I doubt your mate's story.

One of these stories that keeps cropping up, and almost certainly true.

At Cambridge in the early 70s all the rugby players too thick to get in normally, did Land Economy (to help them run their hereditary estates presumably). One of the chief examiners was the Chaplin at Gonville and Caius. After the exam the rugby-playing examinees and himself went off on the usual nightly pub crawl, at some point in which the exams all disappeared.

Made no difference to the results. Everybody was given a Third as usual.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I simply asked if the Caledonian school was worthwhile to look into studying at.

Gets better :)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: tefl howler Reply with quote

balatro wrote:
31 wrote:
A 100% with howlers like this:

''Is the Caledonian School of any recognition?''


I'm not sure what you're complaining about? I simply asked if the Caledonian school was worthwhile to look into studying at.


Better:

Is the Caledonian School recognised?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a yes or no?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're talking about the Caledonian school in Czech yes? I've only heard second hand about them, but as no one else has posted anything here it is: I've heard it's a reasonably professional outfit, in terms of resources, legally employing people etc. It also seems to have been established a while now so shouldn't disappear overnight. I get the impression that they pay pretty poorly compared to other places, hence their constant recruitment of new staff. I'm absolutely open to correction on any of this though - I'm a long way from Prague and this info could be out of date. Have you posted on the Czech forum?

They seem to offer the complete programme for newbies - visa, course, certificate and the old 'guaranteed job'. I can see this being attractive but bare in mind that a CELTA certificate is going to be more 'recognised' than the TEFL International cert. they offer. Also, there's plenty of scope for getting work in that part of the world, probably with better pay and conditions than they offer so a 'guaranteed job' is really not worth much. Get a CELTA and you could walk into a reasonable job anywhere from Estonia down to Romania.

There are plenty of places offering CELTA courses in that area so I'd advise checking those out to compare (branches of International House, British Councils and some private language schools). Any CELTA course should be good as they are all moderated externally and give you a sound intro. - shouldn't make any difference where you do it. If you do the course in that region, by the end of it you'll probably have got lots of pointers on where the good jobs are and could easily have one lined up before the 4 weeks are over if you wanted.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishBrian wrote:
You're talking about the Caledonian school in Czech yes? I've only heard second hand about them, but as no one else has posted anything here it is: I've heard it's a reasonably professional outfit, in terms of resources, legally employing people etc. It also seems to have been established a while now so shouldn't disappear overnight. I get the impression that they pay pretty poorly compared to other places, hence their constant recruitment of new staff. I'm absolutely open to correction on any of this though - I'm a long way from Prague and this info could be out of date. Have you posted on the Czech forum?

They seem to offer the complete programme for newbies - visa, course, certificate and the old 'guaranteed job'. I can see this being attractive but bare in mind that a CELTA certificate is going to be more 'recognised' than the TEFL International cert. they offer. Also, there's plenty of scope for getting work in that part of the world, probably with better pay and conditions than they offer so a 'guaranteed job' is really not worth much. Get a CELTA and you could walk into a reasonable job anywhere from Estonia down to Romania.

There are plenty of places offering CELTA courses in that area so I'd advise checking those out to compare (branches of International House, British Councils and some private language schools). Any CELTA course should be good as they are all moderated externally and give you a sound intro. - shouldn't make any difference where you do it. If you do the course in that region, by the end of it you'll probably have got lots of pointers on where the good jobs are and could easily have one lined up before the 4 weeks are over if you wanted.


Thanks a lot! That's the kind of answer I was looking for -- not this "howler" stuff. I really do appreciate it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But won`t being American and having no degree seriously prejudice his chances of getting work in most of Europe? Fair enough Turkey is no problem for either of these.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

31 wrote:
But won`t being American and having no degree seriously prejudice his chances of getting work in most of Europe? Fair enough Turkey is no problem for either of these.


I've already said I am going to get my degree! I plan on doing the CELTA Certificate during the Summer of my Freshman year, come back to the States and finish college while tutoring and doing some volunteer ESL work and then go abroad for 1-2 years to teach full time -- then probably return for Graduate school.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true that as an American it will be more difficult to get work in the EU but it'd should still be possible in the Eastern countries because there's a real shortage of qualified (I mean CELTed) teachers. Appears the Brits and the Irish are more interested in sunny weather (seems to be an obsession with Spain) and the pay in Eastern Europe is hardly attractive. North Americans still seem to find some attraction in the 'culture' of Eastern Europe, tho' I make no comment about that.

Don't let anyone brow beat you into calling places like Czech, Poland etc. 'Central Europe'. These countries will take decades to gain the mentality that entitles them to start using that name.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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North Americans still seem to find some attraction in the 'culture' of Eastern Europe, tho' I make no comment about that.


The whole basis of me wanting to teach within Eastern Europe is that my father was once a Criminal Law professor and was given a grant to travel to Eastern Europe for a month to access a University's Criminology program in the Czech. Republic and as a gift to me since I was out of school at the time he decided to take me with him. It gave me the wonderful chance to see the Czech Republic, Romania, and Sofia, Bulgaria. I fell in love with the place and always strived to return one day -- it's not so much the current culture since the countries in EE are relatively poor and can no longer afford the culture they once could but more so the History and the people --- I've found the people within the EE to be more open to Outsiders and generally speaking, a lot more in tune with life and the happiness of life.

An example of being open to Outsiders -- my father took me to the town of Plzen (some spell it as Pilsen, I think?). We had just gotten done touring St. Bartholomew's Cathedral and gone to the Franciscan Church which was just a couple streets down, both are regarded as some of the oldest churches in all of Eastern Europe. We ran into an older couple there, crying at the altar. We went on with the tour but later bumped into the couple again and they asked if we were Americans and we said we were, they told us of how they had learned their son died fighting in Bosnia/Serbia wars and would like us to come back to their flat for some lunch ... we thought about it and realized this could give us a chance to sample some real Czech food and agreed. Anyway, she cooked us up some goulash and roasted boar (I assumed they were leftovers from the funeral maybe? I hear that's some relatively usual food at a funeral procession in Czech Republic) and we sampled some Czech beer and wine (she made sure we drank the wine first to "clear our mouths" and the beer we drank with dinner) -- I was 16 during all of this, so it was quite an experience for me and still remember it fully.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose making generalisations like "Brits like this and Americans like that" will always put me on dodgy ground.

I should say that when I wrote 'culture' I was meaning popular culture. The atmosphere, the people, the attitudes - even the transport and accommodation. Just the whole way of life you get being in a place. These countries were never glamorous to TEFL people but I think they did used to hold more intrigue than they perhaps do now. British people are less likely to go to these new EU countries looking for that, while Americans do still seem to have a sense of it.

Like I say, huge generalisation but just a trend I've noticed from people you meet passing through or who take or apply for jobs here.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishBrian wrote:
I suppose making generalisations like "Brits like this and Americans like that" will always put me on dodgy ground.

I should say that when I wrote 'culture' I was meaning popular culture. The atmosphere, the people, the attitudes - even the transport and accommodation. Just the whole way of life you get being in a place. These countries were never glamorous to TEFL people but I think they did used to hold more intrigue than they perhaps do now. British people are less likely to go to these new EU countries looking for that, while Americans do still seem to have a sense of it.

Like I say, huge generalisation but just a trend I've noticed from people you meet passing through or who take or apply for jobs here.


Those new EU countries have seen an explosion in tourism, partly fueled by low cost airlines and EU membership and have since become much more expensive. I think a lot of teflers have been burned by accepting apallingly paid jobs thinking they were going to help/make a difference etc. and ended up working for cynical businesses and their good local salary being laughable. Prague on a tefl salary-no way. Perhaps Americans teflers have to learn the hard way.

Spain, Italy, Greece have always been popular despite the 750-1000 Euro salary. I suppose salary isn`t really the word, maybe pocket money. Look at the Spain forum for the typical American/Canadian girl wanting job in Spain for any amount of money.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Those new EU countries have seen an explosion in tourism, partly fueled by low cost airlines and EU membership and have since become much more expensive. I think a lot of teflers have been burned by accepting apallingly paid jobs thinking they were going to help/make a difference etc. and ended up working for cynical businesses and their good local salary being laughable. Prague on a tefl salary-no way. Perhaps Americans teflers have to learn the hard way.

Spain, Italy, Greece have always been popular despite the 750-1000 Euro salary. I suppose salary isn`t really the word, maybe pocket money. Look at the Spain forum for the typical American/Canadian girl wanting job in Spain for any amount of money.


I've heard it's quite possible to survive in Prague on a good TEFL salary ... it's not going to be amazing by any means but I speak with some in Prague on a daily basis and they say they love it, that they can afford a rather decent Western lifestyle there. Granted if they'd go a couple miles down the road to Hradec Kralov they'd live even better by some standards.
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