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[malcoml]

I would not go to Russia looking for a date.
You wont have to many problems with teaching in Russia I would be up to date on the English language grammer as many of your students will have good understanding of it and the males don't mind saying what is on their mind. Some women may have taken this as offensive behaviour but it is actually just normal.
Men have a great time in Russia as the are surrounded by beautiful women who are looking to gain their attention. Many men quite often go into depression after leaving Russia. Women on the other hand can suffer from depression in Russia. The cold weather, disorganised services and the fact that unless you are very beautiful you will get little attention from males seems to hit some women hard.

[canucktechie]

Don't be so negative Malcolm. A decent expat woman should be able to do OK with expat men (or some Russian men for that matter). For one thing, it's a lot cheaper to date an expat woman !

[malcoml]

canucktechie

LOL canuck how many expat men in Russia do you know who are actively looking for a expat women?? Enough said.

[canucktechie]

Hey I've met plenty of expat women I could go for but they're all too young for me!

Seriously, I have met a number of women who are involved with expat or Russian guys they have met here.

[Slim Jim]

The good thing about living in Russia for expat guys who are young or young at heart is that the boot is on the other foot, so to speak.

[malcoml]

If I could fighure out a way of earning a western style wage in Russia I would relocate there and never leave.

[steven_gerrard]

Guys- I know you won't believe it now but you WILL get sick of (or at least become immune to) the Russian dollybirds that are all around you. Yeah, they're easy on the eye and you'd never pull anyone that physically perfect at home (if being tall and thin with no discernable *beep* or bottom is your bag) but even if they speak excellent English (or you Russian), you never quite get each other all the time and you're never quite sure if they want you for you or for the opportunities being with you can present them. That's ok for a while- who's complaining? But in the end it becomes a bit too much.
I saw this excellent post on another Russia forum- just about sums up what I wanted to say, though unfortunately I am not the author.

Anyway, I had my fair share of Russian girlfirends when I first came to Moscow and I must say I was like a kid in a sweet shop -beautiful girls in short skirts who put out- what more could a young man want? After a time though, this kind of beauty wore off and to me it always seemed like Russian women wanted something from me- you know what I mean. I had women who wanted to move in together after we had seen each other maybe three or four times, a woman who got all upset when I hadn't asked her to get married after TWO MONTHS etc etc etc. Anyone man who has dated in Moscow will know exactly what I mean- I was rather amazed by the speed at which Russian women seemed to operate- I came to Moscow from the UK where things seem to move at a completely different pace relationship-wise. Maybe I was just going for the wrong girls. I am sure there are some great, independant Russian women out there who don't calculate what you can do for them at first glance and who want nothing else from a partner other than to enjoy spending time with. I have expat friends with Russian partners where it's really worked out well but it's just not for me.

By the way, most expat women I know over here have excellent relationships and no trouble finding admirers all over the shop.

[Slim Jim]

The British guy you quote Steve who posted those words on another forum must be having problems with his sexual orientation, either that or he must have been so blissfully spoiled for choice, and so blissfully drained libido-wise that he had nothing more to give those coquettish and wayward Slavic vixens so demanding of his time, energy and wallet.

But can you really get tired of a good thing? In Moscow, possibly. Perhaps he got tired of having to financially maintain all those multiple relationships. The cost does take its toll ultimately. On your sperm count, nerves and bank balance (or greenback stash under the matress). The endless shoe buying and shopping trips, the insistence on ordering the most expensive cocktails and dishes on the menu (I once had the temerity to point out one chick's tendency to do this - not even eat all the food, just leave it there on the plate and push it around a bit with the fork) - she looked at me as if I had called her beloved babushka a grizelled old dog. I think this guy got tired of the amount he was dolling out each week to keep all those hot-knickered dollybirds on the go. Or more likely he was just being plain spoiled.

I think guys in the know living in Moscow will know all about this. You forget your past (back in the sexual wastelands of England or Canada or Pittsburgh), where you crawled and pleaded for the attention of a lard-buttocked moose who mocked you routinely and burped out her beer-breath insecurities in your unsympathetic face. You go from ladettes and thick-thighed geezer-birds to a land of milk and honey. Tolstoy-reading, high-heel-wearing, kama sutra-pratising s u p e r-s l u t z who actually give you, you - non-entity that you had become accustomed to being back home - the time of day. Astonishing! And more astonishing yet, you start to take their attentions for granted. That's the problem with this newfound semi-celebrity status that a reasonably good-looking bloke suddenly acquires when he gets off the plane at Sheremyetyevo Dva. You forget it wasn't always thus, after a while you start to be blase and arrogant, defiantly screwing around and cheating on number one girlfriend. Anyway I found this quote to be revealing:

After a time though, this kind of beauty wore off and to me it always seemed like Russian women wanted something from me- you know what I mean. I had women who wanted to move in together after we had seen each other maybe three or four times, a woman who got all upset when I hadn't asked her to get married after TWO MONTHS etc etc etc.

Well, wasn't he the lucky one. You mean the girls wanted committment and a decent bloke to snuggle up to and protect them from the wicked world and this guy was already thinking about the next easy lay. What they 'wanted' was what a lot of Russian women and women the world over want: a good man who will offer more than a few rolls in the hay, and not a cheating scumbag (which is what a lot of us become living in the 'sweet shop').

And this next was just incredible:

Maybe I was just going for the wrong girls. I am sure there are some great, independant Russian women out there who don't calculate what you can do for them at first glance and who want nothing else from a partner other than to enjoy spending time with. I have expat friends with Russian partners where it's really worked out well but it's just not for me.

The point is, the girls here are different - if it hadn't already been manifestly bleeding obvious from the outset. They are 'dependent' on men socially, feminine, loathe to get their thin white hands dirty on man's work. Some of them want your money, your gifts, your time, your undivided attention - and they want men to 'protect' them because that is how they were brought up and that is one reason why Russian society is different. But paradoxically they are even more independent and strong-willed than their counterparts in the West. I've never heard a Russian woman whinge or complain or blame someone else for any situation. They know how to realise their ambitions without enforced ideological notions of equality. I'm sick of hearing slanderous words against Russian women who I consider to be magnificent superior life-forms. Real women. Boys, if you are lucky enough to share their company, don't knock it... When you eventually leave the Motherland and go back home you'll understand how lucky you were.

[Slim Jim]

Guys, how can you *beep* the word 'c o c k t a i l s'!?!? Incredible.

[steven_gerrard]

Plenty of men who wouldn't see any action from any woman who could actually understand what they were saying come to Russia and pull princesses- good luck to them. However, some of us would like to stay out of this cutthroat race to the altar (bonus points if you bag a foreigner) as we have the ability to look a few years down the line and don't like what we see very much.

Forgive me for being old-fashioned but I want a partner who is an equal- who has her own life as well as sharing mine and whose be all and end all is not marriage. Someone who has ambitions in life other than attaining a state of matrimony, whether blissful or not, at practically any cost. Who loves me and is willing to give a relationship time to grow without issuing ridiculous ultimatums.

And now I will go away and hope no one I know reads this site and gives me stick for it.

[malcoml]

[Kent F. Kruhoeffer]

^ Hi Slim Jim

Mods don't edit the word c o c k t a i l s.

There's a software program running all the time that automatically edits

out words considered to be 'vulgar' --- and c o c k --- is on that list.

[steven_gerrard]

I guess I just want a woman who likes me for me, not because I am a man/ a foreigner/ an end to being single. An old romantic.....

[malcoml]

Steve,

I hope a women likes you for atleast two of you points otherwise your in trouble.

[canucktechie]