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[brsmith15]

Both EF and Delter/Telfort hire anyone with a white face. No degree, no teaching background, no anything except the person must be able to see lightning and hear thunder. They also pay the least and have the worst management in existence. Their top people rob the schools blind.

Telfort in Shanghai hired a Russian guy to teach English, who - - - get this - - - couldn't speak English.

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[Roger]

It seems to me some native speakers are getting jealous of non-natives for getting a job in China...
I don't for a second believe a non-native speaker does get an English teaching job if he or she canNOT communicate in English. In fact,k for someone to be wanting to teach a langauge that's foreign to hinm in a foreign place they need to be a lot better motivated than the average native English speaker. It does take courage to do that!

[brsmith15]

I'm just worried about mis-translation.

Way back in the late 1950s when I was an engineering student we had a professor from China who kept saying "we won." Who won? What did that have to do with science?

It was a course in fluid mechanics and it finally dawned on us he was talking about velocity: "v sub 1."

[Babala]

Roger,
I taught with a German man who couldn't read English or pronounce words correctly. They hired him because he was white. The same goes for the Romanian women who had a smaller vocabulary then some of the students. Now this was about 3 years ago, maybe it has changed a bit since then.

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[englishgibson]

This has developed to an interesting topic and by this time Writpetition might be working for an EF English First center somewhere in China by now. Writpetition, I hope that you aren't that desperate, are you?

There are some rules to get a foreign academic staff member�s status that have not been followed in many parts of China due to many factors. The number one reason might be that it is fairly difficult to get that decent foreign teacher to teach at a school, so never mind the qualifications or experience (sorry that I said that). Some schools decide one day that they need a teacher �tomorrow�. How hard that might be to get one especially if the location is �unattractive�.

We all know how large the Chinese market is, but do we know how large the market for that experienced and qualified feign teachers is?

Due to a bad reputation or mismanagement of some schools the experienced/qualified foreign teacher try to avoid them. Due to �flexible rules� of getting that Work Visas we see all kinds of staff happening.

My question to all of you is: �What is a definition of A GOOD FOREIGN ENGLISH TEACHER in China and what should he/she really need to teach?�

I hope that I have not got off the original topic too far here, have I?

Cheers and beers

[brsmith15]

Down with EF, Canilx, Wall Street, Delter/Telfort, Big Brother! If we keep concentrating on getting rid of these slime of the academic world, maybe we can send their owners and their white hard-boiled-egg cronies (notice they're yellow on the inside) back to where they belong. They give education a bad name and despoil all of us who try to do a decent job.

[Zero Hero]

Does EF employ non-native speakers? One can not tell. Their website is at best ambiguous (note that it does not read 'will only recruit'):

"One of the most important aspects of a school is the quality of its teachers. That is why EF English First will recruit native speaking certified English Teachers."

http://www.englishfirst.com/partnersinfo/exceptional.asp

I do not know if you have to be certified to work for EF, but you certainly need to be certifiable.

[englishgibson]

I did not realize that Canada was omitted and not considered for one of the �all� English-speaking countries by the EF English First organization according to the advertisement and the links provided by Zero Hero. Their �global reach� does not reach to Canada, wow! I guess it is a bit misleading there, so Canada might be somewhere in between the lines there. I am pasting this advertisement below for you all to see, because to me it�s unbelievable and it might change by tomorrow, since the EF �spies� who almost sh*g*ed me by the way might change it.


http://www.englishfirst.com/partnersinfo/exceptional.asp
Buy a Franchise
Exceptional staff training
One of the most important aspects of a school is the quality of its teachers. That is why EF English First will recruit native speaking certified English Teachers. Our global reach allows us to find teachers from all English speaking countries in the world, including USA, England, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
To ensure that teachers are of the highest caliber all candidates are screened and then put through a rigorous interviewing process where we evaluate both their teaching ability and their ability to live in a foreign country.

Key school staff receives three weeks of training at an existing EF English first school, while all secondary staff takes part in their own thorough training programs locally.

Though EF English First schools are not required to use the Teacher Recruitment Service, many of our franchisees find it an excellent resource.

What an advertisement above for the Chinese investors! I hope that they can read English or that the Chinese version is the same as above!

Yes Zero Hero they do hire non-natives and they also hire natives with little education so to speak. The EF recruiting office in Shanghai preys on �no experience� in their applicants as well as some EF centers do.
Having said that, what is a good teacher to you and do you mind non-native speakers, Zero Hero? No sweat, I am not confronting you or anything. Just question(s).
Thanx for that great link to the site. It�s hilarious.

[Roger]