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dmb
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| Isn't getting feedback an essential stage in process writing? |
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ls650
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Who wouldn't want some help with proofing an important paper? This instructor sounds a bit wacky.
What she doesn't know won't hurt her: keep any further proof-reading quiet. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| dmb wrote: |
| Isn't getting feedback an essential stage in process writing? |
Oh no that tired old EFL writing debate. A process or product approach? What about a genre approach? Or perhaps we could get the students to do one of the writing sections from Headway Elementary Workbook for homework. Poor old teacher could correct them and agonise about how much of the bad writing and spelling to correct and give them back next lesson. |
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moonraven
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I repeat: the teacher should be fired immediately. |
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Tamara
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I do appreciate everyone's responses. Darkhorse, I apologize if I seemed ungrateful. In fact, I was worried that a formal thank you might close the thread, and I still wanted to read more replies.
I agree that any proof reading in the future should be kept secret. I've decided not to offer to edit my classmates' papers anymore, either. Of course, this semester is so intensive, I won't have much time to spare to be so helpful anyway. However, I intend to seek out a final edit from a colleague on any major papers I turn in this semester and in semesters to come.
I did all kinds of Google searches, trying to find evidence of any institution that considers proof reading equal to academic dishonesty. On the contrary, I found many syllabuses describing how peer editing would be used in the course and then a separate section about plagarism and its evils. It seems to me that peer editing is indeed a widely accepted practice.
Even Diana Hacker (The Bedford Handbook, 6th edition) suggests finding someone else to review a final draft:
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| In college classes, too, the use of reviewers is increasingly common.... Such sesions give you a chance to hear what other students think about your draft in progress--and to play the role of reviewer yourself (p. 14). |
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| Professors often set aside class time for peer review sessions in which students respond to one another's drafts in written comments, discussions, or both. In some courses, students use e-mail or other forms of electronic communication to send and receive comments on one another's rough drafts (p. 41). |
I suppose that if all I needed was validation for my own peace of mind, I have that. I also am pretty sure that I should wait until graduating the program to start challenging the director of the program on issues of policy and academic scholarship, especially since a first year graduate student doesn't really command much respect. At any rate, I appreciate the feedback from all of you.
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darkhorse
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moonraven
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Tamara:
Don't think of yourself as having no influence because you are a first year grad student. YOU are the client for the institution's product. I had 2 professors fired when I was a "lowly" undergraduate! |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| moonraven wrote: |
Tamara:
Don't think of yourself as having no influence because you are a first year grad student. YOU are the client for the institution's product. I had 2 professors fired when I was a "lowly" undergraduate! |
There`s not much you haven`t done. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| moonraven wrote: |
Tamara:
Don't think of yourself as having no influence because you are a first year grad student. YOU are the client for the institution's product. I had 2 professors fired when I was a "lowly" undergraduate! |
Fired or were driven insane.  |
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moonraven
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I can't speak to their sanity.
In the first case, the priest who was head of the English department spent the money for the literary magazine of which I was editor on wine, women and song. Another priest and I went with the president of the university. They farmed him out to something called the Universityof the Seven Seas....
In the second case, the Creative Writing prof who was a visiting prof at U Wasington for a year held enormous classes and showed obvious favoritism. I went with the department chair, and they sent him back to UMass, from which he was on sabbatical. He ended up being my advisor for the PhD program at UMass a few years later--and remembered me with great fondness, even showing me a group of my poems that he had published (without permission, I might add.) Nice man, but hopeless. |
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