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Is 40 too old? What's your opinion?
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Chris_Crossley



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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: Vancouver!!!!!!!!!!! Reply with quote

laura1d wrote:
HI,

Ooops Vancouver............... Embarassed

I saw China, Furnace City and the picture - put 2 and 2 together and made ummmmmmm not 4!!!

Shame it is not the same guy - I would have liked to pass on my regards.

I was only in Wuhan for 6 months as I didn't really like it - I have vague memories of the something star cafe (blue star maybe). Full of expats drinking expensive beer if I remember rightly.

Anyhow - thanks for your response Chris!

Laura


You're quite welcome, Laura! Pity we've never met!

The expat haunt you were referring to is the "Blue Sky Cafe" in the Jianshe Dadao in Hankou. BTW, there is a new branch in the Wuluo Lu in Wuchang, but I have not been there yet - I am far too busy at the minute! Sad

You mentioned you were in Wuhan about 2 1/2 years ago. I've been here about 3 1/2 years myself, and there have been improvements in the city: even the pollution is not as bad as it used to be, but the sun still bakes the place hot during the summer. In early June, there was one day that was recorded as being the hottest for the month of June in 83 years! Cool
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Gregor



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prue Jarvis,
Yeah, I guess it sounds a little harsh. But remember, I'm refering to NEWBIES. An experienced teacher, with TEFL experience and living abroad experience, would be no problem at all. It's just the motivation that people need to think about.

The mid-life thing for me hasn't taken shape yet. It's just doubts and kinda-sorta regrets. Stupid stuff. I may not actually DO anything about it. It feels too much like my memory of culture shock.
Then again, my getting married a couple years ago might have been a symptom of the mid-life thing! I was married for the first time at the age of 38, so maybe that was the crazy thing???
Working out OK, though, thanks.
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P-T



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben Round de Bloc wrote:
Having said all that, I do not think the mid-40s was the best age for me to go to grad school full-time or to make a move to a foreign country/culture. I'm not sure why exactly, but I think both would've been easier for me if I'd been either 10 years younger or a bit older.


I don't think I've been through a "crisis" .. my direction change came through dealing with people new to New Zealand, both training them & attempting to place them in decent jobs. It was heart-breaking because though the vast majority were intelligent, well educated people, their English language skills or accents kept them out of positions they deserved to have otherwise. I left my job & became a full-time student, majoring in linguistics, management & English. Whilst I loved being a student & having my brain stretched, poverty does not become me! It was during a study break that I was presented with the opportunity to travel & teach.
Perhaps it's the place I'm in & the people I've met, but I've settled into life here surprisingly easily. I'd actually like to stay & there are people here who have offered to help me do so, but I've decided to stick to my original plan & globe trot for a couple of years. I can always come back if this really is the place for me.
So now I'm hoping to see a fair bit of the world, build my skills with practical experience & study extramurally to complete my degree.
Being new to this, I have moments of being very homesick (basically missing my son) but thankfully they're few & far between; most of the time I have serious doubts that I'll ever return to NZ to live.
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P-T



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gregor wrote:
Prue Jarvis,
Yeah, I guess it sounds a little harsh...It's just the motivation that people need to think about.

The mid-life thing for me hasn't taken shape yet. It's just doubts and kinda-sorta regrets. Stupid stuff. I may not actually DO anything about it.

Then again, my getting married a couple years ago might have been a symptom of the mid-life thing! I was married for the first time at the age of 38, so maybe that was the crazy thing??? Working out OK, though, thanks.


I quite agree that people need to be clear about their motivation for doing this.

Gregor, it's NEVER too late to do the things you haven't done yet. Don't ignore them, just work out how you can achieve them without totally overhauling your life.

Laughing Crazy that you got married at 38? Or crazy that you got married at all? Having been bitten, I opt for the latter. Wink No more promises of eternal love, I'd rather take things one day at a time .. if 'romance' ever presents itself again Cool
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Gregor



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy that I ever got married at all, to answer the question.
I left Jakarta, Indonesia for China to A) Get a couple years' experience as a DoS (having recently decided that this is what I do when I grow up, after having taught ESL for 7 years) and B) To get my diploma (in exchange for two years' committment, the employer paid for the Trinity College, London TESOL diploma course).
After finishing the course and job contract, I 100% intended and expected to return to Jakarta. I didn't though, because by then I had a wife with whom I am still very much in love.

That said, we may still go to Jakarta. I don't know if I want to take a Chinese wife to Indonesia, but she's well into it. She DID want to go to the U.S. but I don't want to live there for more or less the same reasons that she doesn't want to live in China. So I'm thinking it's SE Asia for us, as soon as we can get out of some of our committments and get out of here - Viet Nam, Malaysia, maybe even Indo - SHE doesn't care. Just so long as we can get out of HERE. And I can dig that.
But the marriage thing pretty much was - by definition, HAD TO BE - pretty impulsive. I mean, I go away for two years, with a definite plan, and before ONE of those years is out, I'm married to a woman I previously had never heard of before. Doesn't that sort of smack of mid-life crisis to you? I mean, we're HAPPY, but looking at it objectively, that's what it looks like to ME. :)

As for the "too late" thing, no, I quite agree. Notice that I said that it wasn't that 40 is too old. Retirement age is a great age and I have never had problems with those teachers who start out well after the danger of a mid-life crisis had passed. It's just that in-between age that makes me want to be careful.

I wonder what the original poster thinks of all this.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gregor wrote:

As for the "too late" thing, no, I quite agree. Notice that I said that it wasn't that 40 is too old. Retirement age is a great age and I have never had problems with those teachers who start out well after the danger of a mid-life crisis had passed. It's just that in-between age that makes me want to be careful.



I've noticed this in Canada too. Almost all of the teachers are either very young, or old. To me, it's an indication that teaching ESL (or EFL in this case) still isn't being taken as a legitimate career choice. It's like saying "ok, you're young, you're just having some fun before you settle in for your 'real' career. People will think you're young and cool!" or "ok, you're mature. You've had your career and now it's time for you to sit back and relax while travelling/ helping new arrivals who can talk about foreign, exotic places. People will think of you like a wise person who probably has some excellent advice to give". In both cases there is probably a hidden "and so you don't need to be paid much money" sentiment on the part of the employer.

There are twenty-something years when you aren't what they're looking for because you should be back home in a cubicle having a family. Except if you spent your time getting experience and training in teaching ESL in order to have a career in it, that leaves you trying to find something to do (hopefully other than retail, although a lot of people probably end up doing exactly that) just to fill in the time before you can go back as a retiree.

Why don't people in other occupations get fired or have their contract renewals denied when they hit the late 30's or 40's mark as a sort of pre-emptive strike against them quitting due to a mid-life crisis? Maybe because that would seem like discrimination, and would be ridiculous.
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P-T



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gregor wrote:
I wonder what the original poster thinks of all this.


Well Gregor, you've given me food for thought & a few chuckles! Hopefully the original poster has had the same.

Thanks for the chat. I wish you success with everything that challenges you & lots of fun on the way!
Take care, Prue
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P-T



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[/quote]Why don't people in other occupations get fired or have their contract renewals denied when they hit the late 30's or 40's mark as a sort of pre-emptive strike against them quitting due to a mid-life crisis? Maybe because that would seem like discrimination, and would be ridiculous.[/quote]

Ah, but they do!It's called 'Redundancy'!

As for everything else you said, I find it depressingly believeable! Still, it seems there are a few of us in our middle years..maybe we're trend setters.
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joesnoopy16



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:24 am    Post subject: Never too old! Reply with quote

Don't worry about your age. As long as you have the desire and commitment, go after whatever you want to do. While you may run into those who will discourage you, and into schools that will prefer younger teachers, I'm sure there are plenty of schools that recognize the value of maturity and experience (although they may not pay you any more for it). Don't sell yourself short. You have maturity and life experience that will help you in the classroom. The younger "kids" have the book smarts, but life gives you a wealth of examples and experiences you can use to help convey your lessons, and also for just dealing with people. Go for it!
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jonnyo,


Life begins at 40, pack your bags!



Good luck to you,
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carnac



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear jonnyo (op):
When you sit on a fence, you have three choices: jump over here, or jump over there, or stay sitting and go nowhere.
You already know the right choice for yourself. You are only asking to see if anyone validates what you already decided for yourself. Do it, or not do it. You already know what you will do.
You either have guts, or not. Either to say yes, or no.
I'm 60, started at 57, doing fine. Made a difficult choice. Ok, now.
Believe in yourself. You'll be fine.
Let us know, ok?
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Cdaniels



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:41 am    Post subject: Rendundancy Reply with quote

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Why don't people in other occupations get fired or have their contract renewals denied when they hit the late 30's or 40's mark as a sort of pre-emptive strike against them quitting due to a mid-life crisis? Maybe because that would seem like discrimination, and would be ridiculous.

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Ah, but they do!It's called 'Redundancy'!

Maybe this little problem hasn't hit certain parts of Canada, but its certainly has in New England. In fact age is less of a factor than senority. The average American now keeps their job for an average of only 7 years. Companies don't want to pay benefits, or at least they try to minimize the expense of benefits. I'm going to travel and at least see some of the world while I'm healthy. I can't expect a big pension to let me travel in my retirement.
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orangiey



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say go!!
Don't dream your life but live your dreams!
I am in Wuhan with my hubbie, we sold up in the UK and are having a great time (and we avoid the expats places as we are too old for all that (late 30s) and enjoy the local places)
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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:30 pm    Post subject: mid life Reply with quote

Nice to read posts from a bunch of folks my age. I got to admit mid-life crisis is part of why I am where I am. I put off doing for me (for the sake of the kid and the marriage, of course) until finally I just couldnt do it anymore! OK - that is simplifying things quite a bit but I wont go into the gory details.

Lucky for everyone concerned, the gods intervened and things have worked out well, esp. for my son (now 17 Shocked ). I gotta agree with Ben that it is more difficult to do this at 40ish (dont know about older but I do think it would have been easier if I were younger) - probably because I have been dealing with culture shock and mid-life at the same time... both cause you to question your identity. But Im stubborn, and Ill make it through.

For the OP, I say "go for it" as well. Mid-life is tough but sometimes its what we need to get off our a$$ and do what we really need to for ourselves.
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orangiey



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for you!
The world is there to be discovered by you!
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