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Are you a conversation(al)ist?
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. It is also a way of increasing others' energy levels, something even possible over the internet.
The opposite is also true.

I am feeling real good, now.
Thank you GW. Wink
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denise



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee,

I asked for context because without it the only answer that I could possibly give is "it depends." Not a remotely helpful answer.

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JonnytheMann



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't know what you were asking when you said "Winning or Losing?" Were you asking me if I win or lose when I play tennis?
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Denise,

Basically, I am asking if you are a conversationalist. Are you skilled at conversation?

Let me give you an example: we have a new teacher at school, we pass eachother in the hall or see eachother, I presume, and this person never says anything. Never once has this person ever said anything to me, without my having said something first.


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s
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spidey



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:

Let me give you an example: we have a new teacher at school, we pass eachother in the hall or see eachother, I presume, and this person never says anything. Never once has this person ever said anything to me, without my having said something first.


Cheers,
s


Had you already been introduced to this new teacher? Are you putting out a welcoming vibe towards them? Do you feel that it's up to them to make the first move? Does the new teacher respond after you've initialized a conversation?
So much of the time we expect others to respond and act in a way that we ourselves would respond and act. Thereby putting an unrealistic expectation upon the other person. My advice...focus on yourself and be consistent. Eventually the person will come around.

IMHO of course.

S
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Spidey,

You wrote:
"Had you already been introduced to this new teacher? Are you putting out a welcoming vibe towards them? Do you feel that it's up to them to make the first move? Does the new teacher respond after you've initialized a conversation?"


Yes, yes, no and yes respectively.

I mentioned this particular person because they provide a good example of what I am trying to describe, and because they are non-Japanese.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with them. It's just that I find it odd. For example, if I were to change and stop saying hello every day, there would be no communication at all.

Let me give you another example, the other day this person was getting a drink from the vending machine in the cafeteria. It's a large hall of a room, lots of tables and chairs and such. It was during class so there was no one around and I came down the stairs just as they had gotten the drink and were walking away from the machine, in my direction. From clear across the hall I said, "Hello (their name)!" to which they replied hello, I think, an acknowledgement anyway. My point is that not saying anything would have suited them just fine, I believe. So, what I'd like to say to this person is, "Why can't you ever say hello?"

My first reaction was that this person doesn't like me, I doubt it. It's just that this person is quiet, keeps to themself, would never engage someone in conversation. That's fine, takes a lot of people to make a world.

Anyhows, I don't quite know what I'm on about anymore so...but what you said about unrealistic expectations rings clear. Thanks for taking your time to reply.


Be cool,
s
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Jonnythemann,

Sorry, I thought I answered your question about winning or losing.
If you play tennis, than I was wondering if you have been winning lately, you haven't said whether you do play.

Next, is that A.R. in the avatar?

Finally, who is your favorite player, if you don't mind my asking?


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s
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Chasgul



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say I get a good reaction to the meaningless drivel I produce when people want to chat, usually people don't actually want to talk about anything serious or that might produce a difference of opinion so I talk rubbish in reply to their rubbish and Presto: 'conversation'. Then again I'm more cynical than most and have a depressingly good memory.

A polite nod of recognition is usually the best way out for all concerned as they don't feel obliged to stop and chat nor do they feel bad that you/they didn't acknowledge them/you. Perhaps the guy is several thousand miles away from home for some reason other than that he really loved it back there - or maybe he's just a sociopath. My advice: smile and nod, guaranteed not to produce casualties Smile
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice, thanks.
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JonnytheMann



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't played tennis in a long time, but I wasn't very good. LOL Laughing When I get to Buenos Aires, I'd like to try to play tennis with some people so that I can make some friends. I guess since it's clay there, I'll be even worse at tennis.

Yes, Andy Roddick is in my avatar right now.

My favorite player? That's a tough question. I love Tim Henman, but this year he's been playing so badly that I'm about to move on. I also love Juan Carlos Ferrero & Rafael Nadal.

In women's tennis, I love Serena Williams. I just love watching her play. I also really like Venus Williams, Lindsay Davenport, & Kim Clijsters.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have been working at a high school for four years.

There is a new non-J teacher.

The teacher doesn't speak to you, not even a greeting, nod, nothing.
When spoken to said teacher is okay.

How do you feel?
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Celeste



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
You have been working at a high school for four years.

There is a new non-J teacher.

The teacher doesn't speak to you, not even a greeting, nod, nothing.
When spoken to said teacher is okay.

How do you feel?


I am not too fussed about such things. I generally watch the reaction of others around me to this behaviour. There are people with whom I have worked for 3 years who have never spoken more than 2 words to me in any language, and there are people who I have only worked with on one occasion who are as friendly as can be and just chat my ear off. It's likely not personal, and if it is, who cares!
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Celeste,

Thanks for replying, I see what you mean.
I'm over it.


Have a nice day,
s

P.S. I'm starting to get used to being ignored. Today I came home from work after finding out that I could have left on vacation with my family instead of the following week by myself and saved thousands of dollars. Due in part to the fact that I can't read kanji, and due to my boss telling me one thing and then failing to inform me of a change in plans and due to the fact that I am competely out of the loop at work; has its advantages and as today has proven the opposite is also true.
Of course, when my family got home my daughter never came to say hello to me reading on the sofa in the living room. And of course she wouldn't get up this morning before I had to leave for work and of course she wasn't at her nursery school when I went to pick her up after work and of course I will go to bed before her and of course tomorrow morning she won't get up before I have to go to work and on and on and on and on until the day that I am no longer here to complain that every one ignores me.
Seems every one here has advocated the "who cares" approach to human relations, well not me. I care an awful lot, too much probably.
I am sure that I will be rewarded.
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Chasgul



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warning this post is facetious. Anyone wanting to be serious please ignore this post.

Sweetsee, are you allowed to increase your own energy levels or is that like onanism?

Rolling Eyes
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning Chasgul,

New word for me, thank you. Must have something to do with the abuse and abandonment I suffered as a child. In the process now of breaking that personal control drama.


Enjoy your day,
s
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