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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| malcoml wrote: |
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That must be a world first, a country that needs to have female only train carriages, this is not a change room you know. Gee I would hate to be the Gaijin that accidentally steps onto that carriage, I'm sure that that many Japanese women would rip him to shreds and eachother trying to be the first to get to him. |
I did it one one time in Osaka on the Loop Line and it felt like I had walked into a womans changing room. I got off as fast as I could when I realised there were no men on there.
If looks could kill... |
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Sage
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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Location: Iwate no inaka!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Haha ha!
No one except the conductor will say anything to you but boy you aren't kidding about the looks. Ever see an anime where anger was visible? That's what its like being on one of those cars. |
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malcoml
Joined: 28 Dec 2004
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Well looks like the feminists have finally got to the Japanese women and they have set up office on the public transport system. |
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malcoml
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| No one except the conductor will say anything to you but boy you aren't kidding about the looks. Ever see an anime where anger was visible? That's what its like being on one of those cars. |
Well you did have to be playing with your fancy new mobile phone. |
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SEndrigo
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For once I'm going to agree with Malcolml....it's really sad that there have to be Women Only carriages since some people are such unbelievable perverts that they resort to groping women on the train.
Here's a thought: If you beat up a Chikan on a train, and everyone else sees, there'll be less people willing to take the risk and grope a woman! 
Ignoring problems does not make them go away. Sweeping things under the rug does not make everything OK.
Rather than attack the problem head-on, they create women only carriages...how convenient!
Another idea: How about creating a Chikan tax? If you grope a woman, you'll be taxed 200,000 yen and be jailed?
The police are tough on crime here....tough on bicycle thefts, and God help you if you are caught with marijuana!
What makes groping women a less important crime? It's still heinous, and far worse IMO than smoking pot or stealing a bicycle. |
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6810
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| SEndrigo wrote: |
Here's a thought: If you beat up a Chikan on a train, and everyone else sees, there'll be less people willing to take the risk and grope a woman!
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Except under Japanese law, compounded by the fact you are a foreigner - you will be done over by the legal system. The least beat up party always wins.
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Ignoring problems does not make them go away. Sweeping things under the rug does not make everything OK.
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Yes it does. You just need to remember everyday not to talk about it, not to think about and not to question it. But since your life is filled with your unlimited duties to company, husband, state etc - you won't ever have to...
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| What makes groping women a less important crime? It's still heinous, and far worse IMO than smoking pot or stealing a bicycle. |
[sarcasm] That's what you think. You can thank Confucianism among other things which well and truly prove the self-evident truth that women are not as human as men... [/end sarcasm] |
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AndyH
Joined: 30 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Hey, MalcolmL! I'm a former infantryman myself. When you served, did the Aussie Army still use the L1A1, or had they switched to the Aussie-manufactured Steyr AUG? I've got a Brit L1A1 back in the US, and like it a lot, although I'd love to have one of the Belgian metric-patterned FALs.
Oh! I'm sorry! Is this supposed to be about teaching? |
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Brooks
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| yeah it should be about teaching. That is what PMs are for. |
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azarashi sushi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Hi SEndrigo,
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Here's a thought: If you beat up a Chikan on a train, and everyone else sees, there'll be less people willing to take the risk and grope a woman!
Ignoring problems does not make them go away. Sweeping things under the rug does not make everything OK.
Rather than attack the problem head-on, they create women only carriages...how convenient!
Another idea: How about creating a Chikan tax? If you grope a woman, you'll be taxed 200,000 yen and be jailed? |
I don't know about other trains, but I used to ride the Saikyo line quite a bit and they had regular announcements on the train warning potential chikans that "chikan wa hanzai desu .... bla blah blah"
There are stiff penalties if caught (I'm not sure what they are though). At the very least, the chikan will lose his job... which is actually a pretty big deal. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| azarashi sushi wrote: |
There are stiff penalties if caught (I'm not sure what they are though). At the very least, the chikan will lose his job... which is actually a pretty big deal. |
There was a case where the woman accused a man of being a chikan (it was a high school girl and it turned out she lied about him actually groping her) the guy was arrested, imprisoned for 5 months, lost his job and his wife almost left him. All based on a false accusation. Do you really want to become a vigilante and get caught up in something like that?
Im not saying ignore it when it happens but make sure you dont get the wrong guy, becuase the guns will be aimed at you if he is found innocent.
PS If you hit the guy because he touches some woman it becomes physical assault and then you become as guilty as he is and you will have to defend your actions in court, as its not self-defence. Like someone mentioned often the foreigner will become the suspect over a Japanese person, as I have heard this happen in the case of traffic accidents, where the foreigner becomes the guilty party, even if someone runs into him/her. |
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malcoml
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: |
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We had the F88 Aus steyr a very deadly weapon. I think the first thing you realise when joining the army is that if someone is looking down the site of one of these rifles even 200-300 meters away you have no chance. Unless it was me shooting it.
I know the other weapon you speak of but am embarrassed to say that I have only seen one, never actually handled one. From all accounts we had it easy, apparently drill was a lot harder with the other weapon. I believe it must have been taken out of service in the very early 1990's
We also had the f89 minimi (which I used due to my terrible shooting and much above average strength.
I was only in for about two years, unfortunately got a med discharge, actually got an injury at Kapooka that followed me for the two years. Marking time in drill.
It is funny the people you meet in the military, the different personalities and even now I miss the slang that was used, words like mankey, poge, kit and the amount of time you would be yelled at for incorrectly calling you weapon a gun or calling a corporal by his title then name or me saying I'm in PL 13 , instead of 13 PL.
I actually watched a movie the other night called the Odd Angry Shot, I was surprised how similar the Australian soldier was in Vietnam as they are today. I could say some things about the young 17 year olds getting there first pay check and running of to a brothel in Wagga Wagga to spend there hard earned cash on some Swedish girls but I want for fact it will proably be moderated.
Well to best we keep this on the topic of teaching, opinions on guns in school in Japan. |
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malcoml
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Hahahahah
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| Like someone mentioned often the foreigner will become the suspect over a Japanese person |
If the officer accused me of this behaviour I would simply invite him down to the Gaijin bar for the night and then ask him if I really need to be playing Chikan. Or I couldsimply explain to him that this Chikan behaviour is a Japanese thing with 99.9999999 of our cultures poplation not even knowing what it is.
Perhapes the Chikans can all get together and do the same as they have done with the whale killing, claim it is part of culture so it should be respected. Or even better it is part of some highly secret scientific research. |
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stillnosheep
Joined: 01 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| SEndrigo wrote: |
| Here's a thought: If you beat up a Chikan on a train, and everyone else sees, there'll be less people willing to take the risk and grope a woman! |
Here's another thought: Let's do away with the law and appoint ourselves as judge, jury and prison officer, deciding who is innocent, who guilty, determining the sentence and carrying it out. Instant justice.
Here's another one: Let's all become vigilantes and go around beating up everybody who we consider to be undesirable.
Here's another: Vigoialantes are nasty undesirable scum so let's all go around beating up vigilantes.
Here's another. Let's all just beat up violent *beep* who start fights on tube trains with strangers (of course they'll probably claim to be 'punishing' some chikan).
Here's another...
Get the picture? |
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