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EnglishBrian



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero Hero wrote:
Is "250,000 yen/month" a "standard" salary for someone with a BA, MA, PGDE, a CELTA, doing a PhD in a related field, and who has NET and university experience in HK? I think not.


I think not too. But Zero, I think you've ascended far, far higher than anyone who would think of themselves as a regular TEFL teacher. Actually I think you did that when you were able to enter the NET scheme. Good on you, but I think most people would be unwise to think of your case as on the same planet as 'typical TEFL teacher'.

After a PGCE in the UK I would expect to be going into a usual teaching job making enough money to seriously save. Yes. And if I was able to travel abroad to teach in an International School/as an HK NET, then I would probably expect to be paid even more. But if I'd got my (any old) degree, maybe worked for a while and done a CELTA to move into TEFL, I couldn't compare myself to someone in that situation. Just check out the Hong Kong jobs on TEFL.com for people like that and see what they pay.

I wonder if it's often the new graduates (esp. from the U.S.) who are looking to 'save money'? If you've just finished studying for 4 years on the basis it would lead you to a better life, and having run up huge loans in the process, I can sort of understand why you'd be asking about 'places I can save money'. Quite legitimately.

I left a different profession age 30 to go into TEFL, so I wasn't considering it for financial reasons - beyond not wanting to have to supplement my TEFL career from my savings. In point of fact in Eastern Europe I did live well and put a bit aside - not enough as would count for anything outside EE, but enough for it to seem a decent proportion of my salary I wasn't having to spend, despite living nicely.

I sometimes wish the folk who post about wanting to save money would be a bit more specific. If we're talking about saving money to send home or use to pay off loans, you have a limited choice of countries to choose from and you'd need to live 'carefully'. But I like to think that some people who say they want to save are really meaning they just want to be able to use TEFL to fund their continued presence abroad, live decently and not have to worry about dipping into their savings at home or their emergency money.
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Glenski



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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is "250,000 yen/month" a "standard" salary for someone with a BA, MA, PGDE, a CELTA, doing a PhD in a related field, and who has NET and university experience in HK? I think not.

If you are just starting out in Japan, yes. I thought that was the main point of the OP. And, even a place line NOVA pays only 5000 yen more per month for a master's degree. University experience in any other country doesn't matter to a Japanese employer, nor does studying for advanced degrees.

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Average monthly salary for a family in Japan is 554,000yen. Average grocery expenses are 70,000yen. I read that somewhere in some little brochure that was in the lobby of a business hotel on information in Japan.
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Just goes to show how ridiculously incorrect that "little brochure" is.

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250,000yen is by no means good coin

Never said it was good, just standard. Bear in mind that the average Japanese businessman just starting out makes about this much, too, if you factor in the bonuses he makes. And,many of them still live at home with their parents, so they save on rent.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not big bucks in the bigger scheme of things, but relative to what posters above are saying, Korea's a pretty good deal.

Fresh off the plane with minimum qualifications (a BA), someone intent on saving could quite easily bank the better part of US$1000 a month from an average entry-level wage. Including going out to eat & drink with some frequency & travelling around.
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blueboy



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done it here in Taiwan. Only been teaching six months and I'm on a saving schedule that will hopefully leave me with about $10K US
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is possible to save money in many venues--depending on your income and your commitment to living frugally. But I believe it should be kept in mind that if one goes into a profession with the idea of saving a lot of money--that profession should not be TEFL. Many other professions are much more lucrative.
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31



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that profession should not be TEFL. Many other professions are much more lucrative.[/quote]

TEFL is not a profession.
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Chris_Crossley



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: Which is the profession and which is the specialism? Reply with quote

31 wrote:
moonraven wrote:
That profession should not be TEFL. Many other professions are much more lucrative.
TEFL is not a profession.


Teaching is a profession, TEFL is a specialism.

Let's not confuse the two, shall we? Confused
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TEFL is a specialism



I think where I come from, we say specialty or specialization. But it's been a long time since I've been where I come from, so I'm not really sure. Very Happy

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Spinoza



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think saving/investing has many aspects to it. The dollar figure in your bank account is not the only important indicator. Some like Chris, buy a house, others pay off loans and many others like myself are doing graduate work. You can invest in yourself.
Another important question is investing. Who wants to put their money into pathetic savings account making others get rich? I was hoping to buy some property this summer in Canada, only to see the doors close as a non-resident Canadian. Sometimes I envy you Brits and Yanks who can invest in your home country, sometimes. Once you hit the 30+ mark with kids, you need to consider the future and plan for retirement.
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tedkarma



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Location: The World is my Oyster

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able to save from my very first EFL job - and have been able to save significant sums since then - in every country except Thailand (where the best I could do was break even - and that was not easy!).

But then . . . I've only taught in Korea (easy to save), Taiwan (saved almost as much as Korea), Saudi Arabia (saved a bundle in five years - bad time lots 'o bucks), Thailand Cool (Good time - but no bucks) - and now back in Korea for a few years.

In this business - I think you have to be careful to look out for yourself and plan your finances well. There's not much of a safety net should you hit a bump in the road. Then again, I've been able to save far more than I would have in my home country - in the competition for bigger and nicer houses cars neighborhoods etc.

What Gordon says is important too. Invest in your future. With my "savings", I've been able to buy and pay off several income properties back home - that will support me well when I get old. Being out of the social security system for the last 15 years means my payments will be quite small compared to those who have been contributing. My annual statements indicate I'll get about US$700 a month! - just about enough to rent a dumpster and live and eat out of it. So . . . without my investments - my older years would really scuk!
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moot point



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski,

The little brochure I was referring to was issued by the Japanese tourist board.

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Quote:
Average monthly salary for a family in Japan is 554,000yen. Average grocery expenses are 70,000yen. I read that somewhere in some little brochure that was in the lobby of a business hotel on information in Japan.
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Just goes to show how ridiculously incorrect that "little brochure" is.


I don't think it is a ridiculous figure at all. I was just talking to a few of my Japanese mates who are in the same age bracket of myself (30-35). One is working as an admiinstrator at the senior's nursing home and another is working as a janitor at the high school. Neither have gone to university. The janitor has taken several hands-on courses to license himself to operate different machinery to take care of the school grounds. My other friend who works at the nursing home has no post-high school education. They both earn 5,000,000yen/annum.

Now to get back to the "little brochure", these numbers were the average salary for a family's income. If anything, I think the stats of an average monthly income (ie. taken from tax-paying cititzens) is actually an under-estimate of the average.
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sheena maclean



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: yes I did!! Reply with quote

Wellimanaged to in my first year teachingin Bogot� but then I�m awfully �taca�a�!! hee hee and I drive a hard bvargain with my students!!! tho havingto pay 3 million pesoson medical bills afterbeingbitten by my flatmates dog and consquently an extra 300.000 on new glassesfor the same reason did eat into them some what!!
but such is life.
Sheena
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merlin



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all depends on your motivation to save.

One way to do it is to just go one to three months all-out "save mode". You eat cheap meals like spagetti with garlic and olive oil or beans n rice or potatoes n potatoes. You might even fast a few days (It's healthy anyway). Ideally you'd also have a lot of work to keep you busy and not have a lot of free time. For me this is September-October and sometimes January-February. You get so busy you don't have time to spend money.

At the end of 2-3 months of draconian saving you put a big wad of money in the bank - let's say a whole month's salary. Then you go back to living your "normal" life and try not to say "Oh, I was so good I deserve caviar for the next week". You just go back to you "normal" comfort level.

What you don't want to do is make this a permanent lifestyle or you'll go weird. Like the guy I saw in an airport restroom filling up a bottle with handsoap one squirt at a time. Or the "toilet paper thief" at work.

Just once or twice a year 2-3 months at a time then enjoy yourself within your means the rest of the time, especially During Holidays.
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Chris_Crossley



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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:31 am    Post subject: Handsoap in a bottle Reply with quote

merlin wrote:
What you don't want to do is make this a permanent lifestyle or you'll go weird. Like the guy I saw in an airport restroom filling up a bottle with handsoap one squirt at a time. Or the "toilet paper thief" at work.


Aaargh! Never thought of the handsoap in a bottle thing! Evil or Very Mad

As for bog paper, I'm never without a new roll whenever I travel! Very Happy Very Happy
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