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scot47

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: |
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dmb
Removal men ? Have you been evicted ? |
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delal

Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 251 Location: N Turkey
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject: Er petticoat |
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I er finally gave in and purchased a petticoat. It's the shortest one I could find and does the job. Plus also recently bought some vests for under blouses (the sexiest ones to be had at Koray however). I gave in after two years.... Am I turkified or becoming my granny?  |
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tekirdag

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Undershirt? Oh, you are soooo turkified!!
I'm from Canada and should be used to cold weather but recently have been wearing a "body", tshirt AND a light sweater- plus two pairs of socks. And I still complain I am cold.
So the evidence is in - my internal thermostat is turkified.
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whynotme
Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Posts: 728 Location: istanbul
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| i ve been telling for months. One day everyone is going to be turkified and we wont need EU. 'WHYNOTME' slippers and and will be sold everywhere . |
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esl_teacher1973
Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 51
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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How Turkified are you anyway?
Sorry I never ragged on someone's thread but this has to be the most idiotic topic I've ever read. Nonetheless borderline insulting to Turkish people. You live in Turkey. You are not a Turk. Fınd yourself an identity. Your mocking their culture. I have read alot of trash here that ı'm sure most Turks wouldn't appreciate. |
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Golightly

Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 877 Location: in the bar, next to the raki
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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How Turkified are you anyway?
Sorry I never ragged on someone's thread but this has to be the most idiotic topic I've ever read. Nonetheless borderline insulting to Turkish people. You live in Turkey. You are not a Turk. Fınd yourself an identity. Your mocking their culture. I have read alot of trash here that ı'm sure most Turks wouldn't appreciate. |
sorry, 73, but there is definitely a serious aspect to the question. the phrase 'to turn turk' has been prevalent since at least the sixteenth century, and refers to western Europeans, admittedly pejoratively in the first instance, who have embraced Turkey and the Turkish lifestyle. Read up on your history. The first example I can remember the phrase being applied to was 'Ingiliz Mustafa', who was actually a Scot, who rose to considerable rank in Kanuni's court. People do adopt certain aspects of the country and the culture in which they live to a greater or lesser degree - it's a matter of survival at its simplest, and desire for assimilation at its most extreme. To say 'I will keep my own identity for better or worse' is far more denigrating: it imlplies that the person regards his or her guest culture as being less than their own.
I certainly feel more 'Turkish' when I am in Turkey, or when I'm talking with Turks. However, don't ask me to define it: it's just a place I feel more comfortable being in in those circumstances. |
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molly farquharson
Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 839 Location: istanbul
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| i don't think it is insulting to ask about how turkified we are. I know some expats live in a bubble (i know some who have been here for many years and can barely speak even survival turkish). some like to feel superior to the "locals", whether they are in turkey or anywhere else. probably one thing to ask is how many turkish friends one has and what language you converse with them in. i have said before that i feel yabanci wherever i am and "home" is here now. i am clearly yabanci in my neighbourhood, but i also feel at home because they accept me-- much more than they would be accepted where i came from. living in a culture and learning to adapt to it is a very large growth experience, and i am grateful for it. |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Your mocking their culture. I have read alot of trash here that ı'm sure most Turks wouldn't appreciate. |
Really? Are you their spokes-yabancı now?
We should ask whynotme. Whynotme, are you annoyed that we have embraced your culture to varying extents?
I still won't do slippers, by the way, at least not until WHYNOTME brand hits the shops...
And how do you make homemade tarhana? |
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tekirdag

Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 505
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:39 am Post subject: |
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This thread was certainly NEVER MEANT TO BE INSULTING TO TURKS. I am married to a Turkish man and live with his family. We have a child. My child is learning Turkish, of course, and not yet much English. No problem. Everyone around is kind and friendly to me. I have been here for a long time and I notice I now do some things differently from how I used to. I say "off ya" sometimes and use more hand gestures, for example.
This thread is asking how much being in Turkey has changed you. Being here will change you. A little or a lot. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Asking if it is a bad thing implies you think adopting some Turkish ways is bad.
It is fair, however, to question the motivation behind a thread. This is a forum. But be please use a little more tact in your posts. |
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calsimsek

Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 775 Location: Ist Turkey
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Word to the wise
tekirdag : You don't have to explain yourself. Or your ideas to anyone. any attack against this thread is groundless and coming from a person, who if I'm not getting them mixed up; is still quiet new.
We are what we are because we chose to be what we are.  |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Well said, calsimsek! |
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Baba Alex

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 2411
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Word to the wise
tekirdag : You don't have to explain yourself. Or your ideas to anyone. any attack against this thread is groundless and coming from a person, who if I'm not getting them mixed up; is still quiet new.
We are what we are because we chose to be what we are.  |
I am what I am
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whynotme
Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Posts: 728 Location: istanbul
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Entrailicus, my mother in law's tarhana is the best. She is really improving herself. Every year she adds something new to her Tarhana. I will ask her to add some beer for the next one.
well.. i know what these people mean when they are talking about Turkey. It is not mocking the culture for me and as Tekirdag said it is a part of her culture too. |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Found this. Thought it was nice. Decided to share it with you folks:
I have an idea that some men are born out of their due place. Accident has cast them amid certain surroundings, but they always have a nostalgia for a home they know not. They are strangers in their birthplace, and the leafy lanes they have known from childhood or the populous streets in which they have played, remain but a place of passage. They may spend their whole lives alien among their kindred and remain aloof among the only scenes they have ever known. Perhaps it is this sense of strangeness that sends men far and wide in the search for something permanent, to which they may attach themselves. Perhaps some deep-rooted atavism urges the wanderer back to lands which his ancestors left in the dim beginnings of history. Sometimes a man hits upon a place to which he mysteriously feels that he belongs. Here is the home he sought, and he will settle amid scenes that he has never seen before, among men he has never known, as though they were familiar to him from his birth. Here at last he finds rest.
W. Somerset Maugham, 1919 |
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calsimsek

Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 775 Location: Ist Turkey
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Nice one, thanks for this.  |
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