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Stephen Jones
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Dear James
You need a degree to work in a State School, and you should have one to work in a private school. though they may not check up on bogus qualifications.
Language schools are a different matter. |
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jamesfromscotland
Joined: 13 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:18 am Post subject: |
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I have been teaching for years and can honestly say that despite having no degree I am far more intelligent than most people with one ..this comes across in interviews; this is why not having the degree doesn't seem to be a barrier for me.
scot47..best of Irish to you; I have worked with you before but it looks like I won't be meeting you in the same workplace again ..at least in the near future.  |
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substance
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
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John,
are you really saying you got a MA in tefl, without a bachelors degree? If so good luck to you, but it seems like a bit of a magic trick.  |
I did an MA Applied Lingusitics (TEFL) at Luton Uni... with only a CELTA, 6 months experience in KSA and 2 yrs of an unfinished Arabic degree from SOAS...
And no, I'm not a relation of David Blaine. |
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usool
Joined: 11 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: Degree |
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Hello
I dont know why people keep posting this rubbish about needing a degree to work in the state sector. The Saudis only look for MA's, in some places like the IPA it doesn't even matter what the MA is in, could be in Zoo Keeping but if you're white and American/British native you get the job. The basic rule of Saudi is the more dishnonest you are the more you make, I'm honest and so make next to nowt, others are liars and make a killing. Depends on you're morality really, personally I'd rather take a financial hit in this life than take a big hit in the next!
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Mark100
Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Most decent places in Saudi don't actually require a Masters but most do require at least a teaching diploma or a post grad dip on top of the bachelors. Whether they actually check the source documents is another matter.
I am not sure about how English teachers can really rort the system too much as they are usually not in much of a position to get any rorts. |
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ootii
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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Location: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Qualifications earned via Distance Learning |
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| I recently heard from a friend that qualifications like MA's and Phd's earned via distance learning mode of learning, are not necessarily recognized in Saudi Arabia. Is this true? |
Higher degrees earned through distance learning are not automatically recognized by the Saudi Ministry of Education. Individual programs may be approved but it is difficult to get information about which these are.
A part-time teacher who does some fill in work for me in Riyadh works also works at the Ministry of Education. He was set to begin the EdD programme from Exeter University that is partly taught in Dubai.
His colleagues advised him not to do this as it may not be recognized in this country. |
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ootii
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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Location: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Degree |
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| usool wrote: |
Hello
I dont know why people keep posting this rubbish about needing a degree to work in the state sector. The Saudis only look for MA's, in some places like the IPA it doesn't even matter what the MA is in, could be in Zoo Keeping... |
In the tertiary sector they do require an MA in Applied Linguistics or TESL/TEFL. Certificates, including DELTA, are not deemed to be equivalent, and you may not even get through with an MA in English Lit plus DELTA.
This is because the university administrators are civil servants, not university employees, and the academic staff are usually unable to circumvent civil service directives.
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| but if you're white and American/British native you get the job. |
It sounds like you've worked here. I'd definately caution Westerners of African or Asian descent about working here, even if they are Muslims. There's a weird prejudice here, particularly against African-Americans. I expect this is cultural since many Saudis could easily be mistaken for Africans themselves.
It's difficult to generalize about this, and you won't be treated really badly or anything, but petty things may well grind away at you.
Africans and Indians though, seem to get on quite well. |
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