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paulmanser
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Degrees, whether trhough ICS, OPEN UNIVERSITY should be accepted. The immigration wil not know the difference anyway. Degree through ICS (I might do this incase my student loan is rejected) will be given by a London university. ICS, open univerity are just the middle-man.
Hopefully it will not come to that. My TEFL locations will only be Poland/China anyway. Poland for the whole time hopefully, depending on how it goes. |
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Miyazaki
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| Not legally. Korea recently had a crackdown on teachers working without degrees. In both countries a degree is necessary to obtain the official visas/work permits. |
No, you do not need a degree to teach legally on Taiwan. |
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Jared
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Miyazaki wrote: |
| wix wrote: |
| Not legally. Korea recently had a crackdown on teachers working without degrees. In both countries a degree is necessary to obtain the official visas/work permits. |
No, you do not need a degree to teach legally on Taiwan. |
We keep hearing that you don't need a degree for Taiwan. Can't someone just tell us how to find a job? Like I mentioned before. Every ESL job posting on the internet says that you need at least a bachelors. Obviously you know a way around that. Can you explain in detail how someone with no degree would actually find a job there? |
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773
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| Miyazaki wrote: |
| wix wrote: |
| Not legally. Korea recently had a crackdown on teachers working without degrees. In both countries a degree is necessary to obtain the official visas/work permits. |
No, you do not need a degree to teach legally on Taiwan. |
Miya, why do you insist on saying this? It is utter BS and you are spreading falsified information!
I have been here for 6 years and can tell you that you need one of the two to teach legally in Taiwan:
1) Bachelors Degree
2) Associates (HND in Britain) with a TEFL cert
End of story. |
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Ki
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Apparently it is not false information but without clarifying it is of course absolutely useless. A two year diploma plus TEFL is also apparently acceptable to teach legally in Taiwan. I cannot clarify on what is an acceptable diploma and I cannot clarify on what is an acceptable TEFL. But, as the OP queried, it is possible to teach English in Taiwan.... ILLEGALLY.
There is no evidence on any 'crackdown' here. There is a certain risk in working illegally and once in a while the authorities get their act together and actually do their jobs. But even most of the so called legal teachers are working at least a little illegally. If you get private students or work part time at another school that is also illegal. |
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paulmanser
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Hey guys
Hope you are all well and having fun.
In my opinion you should have a degree. I know it's annoying to spend 3 years getting a degree, we all know this but in respect of your fellow great students I think it is owed.
Paul manser, Great Britain. |
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Jared
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| 773 wrote: |
I have been here for 6 years and can tell you that you need one of the two to teach legally in Taiwan:
1) Bachelors Degree
2) Associates (HND in Britain) with a TEFL cert
End of story. |
Right now that's exactly how the situation is with Taiwan. But lets study politics for a bit. China sees Taiwan as a Chinese province. Taiwan never did have total independance. China has a 1 China policy. China is the largest and one of the most powerful countries on earth. You think China's not gonna get Taiwan back under mainland rule? I doubt there will be a war between the two, but whether or not a war takes place, China will get Taiwan back. You don't need a degree in the mainland of China. When Taiwan becomes part of China again, rules within Taiwan will change. Which means you won't need a degree to teach in Taiwan in the future due to the fact that it will one day become part of the mainland. At least that's the way I see it. Some people argue that you absolutely need a degree even in China. I don't have one and I got hired by a company here, got a Z type visa, and a resident certificate that allows me to work. |
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773
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Jared wrote: |
| 773 wrote: |
I have been here for 6 years and can tell you that you need one of the two to teach legally in Taiwan:
1) Bachelors Degree
2) Associates (HND in Britain) with a TEFL cert
End of story. |
Right now that's exactly how the situation is with Taiwan. But lets study politics for a bit. China sees Taiwan as a Chinese province. Taiwan never did have total independance. China has a 1 China policy. China is the largest and one of the most powerful countries on earth. You think China's not gonna get Taiwan back under mainland rule? I doubt there will be a war between the two, but whether or not a war takes place, China will get Taiwan back. You don't need a degree in the mainland of China. When Taiwan becomes part of China again, rules within Taiwan will change. Which means you won't need a degree to teach in Taiwan in the future due to the fact that it will one day become part of the mainland. At least that's the way I see it. Some people argue that you absolutely need a degree even in China. I don't have one and I got hired by a company here, got a Z type visa, and a resident certificate that allows me to work. |
I'm sorry, but that is absolutely ridiculous, Jared. If any "takeover" were to happen in the future, it wouldn't be anytime soon, probably not even in the next generation. And not only that, if there were a takeover/war, no teacher would want to stick around in Taiwan anyway!  |
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Jared
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sorry, but that is absolutely ridiculous, Jared. If any "takeover" were to happen in the future, it wouldn't be anytime soon, probably not even in the next generation. And not only that, if there were a takeover/war, no teacher would want to stick around in Taiwan anyway! |
I agree. No teacher in Taiwan would wanna stick around if a war broke out. But there's plenty of teachers in mainland China. If Taiwan ever rejoined the mainland any time soon, I'd agree that it would be kind of a shock to teachers soon cause of the law changes and all that stuff. Then again your probably right about a "takeover" never taking place. It's just kinda hard to believe that Taiwan will never be forced to join the mainland considering the fact the mainland has alot more power. Even if Taiwan does join the mainland again, I doubt a war will take place before it happens. Then again I don't know. |
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773
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Politics aside, I also think that once China develops more, they will require more education in their teachers. It is usually the more impoverished nations that pay very little to their foreign teachers and require less education. Once that changes, and I'm sure it will eventually, you won't be able to teach legally in China without at least a Bachelors degree, and eventually a TEFL cert in addition to that.
The Middle East has gradually changed in that way, too. I remember looking at jobs years ago...uni jobs could be had with just a Bachelors degree and a TEFL cert. Now, it's extremely tough to get any good professional position there without a Masters.
Things are changing as more and more people seek higher education. Taiwan will not revert backwards in that way...they will move forward with the rest of the world in holding teachers accountable for getting properly degreed and certified. Eventually, even a Bachelors here won't be good enough, IMO. |
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Jared
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| Politics aside, I also think that once China develops more, they will require more education in their teachers. It is usually the more impoverished nations that pay very little to their foreign teachers and require less education. Once that changes, and I'm sure it will eventually, you won't be able to teach legally in China without at least a Bachelors degree, and eventually a TEFL cert in addition to that. |
I understand why you'd think that China will eventually change, but I keep on thinking about how big of a population China has. I always thought that normally China would enforce the "degree" rule now if they thought they'd still be able to get enough teachers. The idea I always had is that China has too big of a demand for people to learn English so therfore they let people with or without a degree into China. What do you think? |
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773
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| Jared wrote: |
| 773 wrote: |
| Politics aside, I also think that once China develops more, they will require more education in their teachers. It is usually the more impoverished nations that pay very little to their foreign teachers and require less education. Once that changes, and I'm sure it will eventually, you won't be able to teach legally in China without at least a Bachelors degree, and eventually a TEFL cert in addition to that. |
I understand why you'd think that China will eventually change, but I keep on thinking about how big of a population China has. I always thought that normally China would enforce the "degree" rule now if they thought they'd still be able to get enough teachers. The idea I always had is that China has too big of a demand for people to learn English so therfore they let people with or without a degree into China. What do you think? |
Yeah, you're probably right. The population and demand for teachers is such that change probably won't happen anytime soon, and anyone will be hired to teach as long as the need is still so great. It's incredible how many ads I see for China these days. Ah, the winds of change... |
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Jared
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| Well with the demand being so great, I think there will be lots of programs for Chinese people to use to learn English. And the Beijing 2008 olypics are part of why China's trying to get as many people as possible to learn English. When the 2008 olympics are over, I wouldn't be surprised if they started getting strict with the teacher qualifications. Right now as it is, some provinces let only people with degrees in to teach. I'm in the Zhejiang province in Hangzhou city. The government last January decided to change the laws to which only people with a degree can get a work/resident permit. I came in March. The only reason why I was lucky is cause I got connected with a company with really good relationships with the government. |
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Angel46
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 3:19 am Post subject: Online Degrees |
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| With all the 'crap' on the internet these days, can anyone recommend an Online Degree University that will present a bonafide Degree at the end of a program? |
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Jared
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Online Degrees |
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| With all the 'crap' on the internet these days, can anyone recommend an Online Degree University that will present a bonafide Degree at the end of a program? |
Well there's alot of online universities out there. I've been told that no country will accept an online or life experience degree. I don't know how true that is, but so far I never tried getting either type of degree. Besides most degree holders out there actually did 3 or 4 years of on campus study at a university. How long have you been in Hanzhou? |
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