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Midlothian Mapleheart
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Spiderman Too
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bearcanada recently wrote "There's a lot of bad information on this thread"
A copy of a Foreign Experts Certificate can be viewed here:-
http://img27.paintedover.com/uploads/27/fec.jpg
The FEC has NO provision to enter a new employer's name because this cannot be done.
The old (green booklet) Foreigner Residence Permit could be transferred, but never the FEC.
The regulations require the foreign expert to hand-in the FEC to the school when leaving their employ. The school then needs to hand-in the FEC to the State Bureau of Foreign Experts Affairs.
Schools are given permission to employ X number of foreigners. The number of FECs issued in the school's name cannot exceed their 'quota' of foreign teachers so they need to account for each and every unexpired FEC.
It is my understanding that the State Bureau of Foreign Experts Affairs in certain provinces has, during the past year, started cracking down on 'unaccounted for' FECs.
You DO NOT need your former FEC to obtain a new FEC BUT the State Bureau of Foreign Experts Affairs ask for them. I'm not really sure why given that you are required to give them back to your old school when leaving.
For my 'new' FEC issued in September this year, in a different province, I was asked for my old FEC, which I had, in fact, handed-in to my old school. However, I had a scanned copy of it, and the State Bureau of Foreign Experts Affairs accepted it.
As for a 'letter of clearance', it is better to have one but you don't actually need it. A copy of your SIGNED AND STAMPED contract showing that your old contract has expired will suffice. |
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tw
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Spiderman Too wrote: |
| The regulations require the foreign expert to hand-in the FEC to the school when leaving their employ. The school then needs to hand-in the FEC to the State Bureau of Foreign Experts Affairs. |
I am curious as to where you got this information from. When I left Dalian my former employer never asked me to surrender my old FEC.
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| As for a 'letter of clearance', it is better to have one but you don't actually need it. A copy of your SIGNED AND STAMPED contract showing that your old contract has expired will suffice. |
My current employer asked me for a "letter of recommendation" from my former employer and I think they really meant a letter of release, even though I had already left China and was back in Canada so it was quite obvious that my contract had ended. I had to e-mail my former FAO to get them to fax one. |
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Spiderman Too
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:55 am Post subject: |
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tw
Two primary reasons why there is so much confusion regarding many foreign expert issues are;
- laws and regulations are not applied consistently in all provinces
- FAOs at schools and staff at State Bureau of Foreign Experts Affairs offices are not 100% knowledgable about the laws and regulations
Examples:-
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For my second teaching position the school told me that they would send me 2 documents to enable me to get a new 'Z' visa in Australia. I was already in China. I told the school that I would not be returning to Australia but, instead, I would get my 'Z' visa in Bangkok where I would be spending the summer break. The FAO told me that I could get a new 'Z' visa only Australia. After a lot of to-ing and fro-ing the FAO finally relented and sent me the documents nominating the Chinese Embassy in Thailand. The FAO sent me a covering letter saying the school would not be responsible for any problems. Well, I got my visa in Bangkok.
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Related to (1), another poster recently stated that the Chinese embassy in Canada would not accept photocopies of the 2 'Z' visa documents. Well, in the situation above the school e-mailed the documents to me. I printed them out on a ink-jet printer and submitted them to the embassy in Bangkok; no problem!
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Several posters have reported on this forum that their school's FAO have insisted the legal limit for converting salary to foreign currency is 30%, rather than the true figure of 70%.
Anyway, if you doubt my advice about handing-in FECs, send an e-mail enquiry to The Information Center of the State Bureau of Foreign Experts Affairs at [email protected] |
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Louras
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| Midlothian Mapleheart wrote: |
There is something strange about the relationship between you and your ex-employer. How would they find out that you intended to work for the competition? You didn't go and actually tell them, did you? How much notice of your intent to jump ship did you give them? Do you have any outstanding financial obligations to them?
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Middy,
I did tell them because everything was hunkydory between us. I was ending a contract and I took up this one with my current shcool because of a better location & 2 hours less per week for the same pay. Also, my new school gives me the freedom to teach elsewhere if I wish to. Old school forbade that.
They got a month's notice.
Nope, I owe them nothing. The work permit fee would have re-imbursed at the end of the new conrtact had I signed on.
| Midlothian Mapleheart wrote: |
let us know how this situation is resolved, please. It will provide us with some valuable information.
Middy |
Will definitely do so.
Thanks for your posts everyone. You, too, Roger. Though you were a tad hasty here, you do dedicate a lot of time to this space and many of us benefit from it.
BTW, could someone please type out the pinyin for PSB? My school's fairly inexperienced with employing foreigners. Actually, they were the ones who told me I needed to get the old work permit. Got my fingers crossed for the old contract with expiry date to do the trick. |
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tw
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Louras wrote: |
| BTW, could someone please type out the pinyin for PSB? |
PSB = Public Security Bureau = 公安局 = Gong1 An1 Ju2 |
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Louras
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks, tw. |
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therock
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| Couldn't you just get the invitation letter and the other necessary documents you would need then make a trip to Hong Kong or where ever and apply for a new Z visa. Then the visa would be in your new schools name. I believe you do not require a reference letter from your old employer for this when you apply for a new Z visa outside of mainland China. |
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therock
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| You did say that your school is fairly inexperienced in hiring foreigners. That could mean they are a fairly new school, maybe they still do not have the required licence to hire foreigners. You might want to check this out. All schools when they open have to wait for a while before they are granted a licence to employ foreigners. |
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Louras
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| therock wrote: |
| You did say that your school is fairly inexperienced in hiring foreigners. That could mean they are a fairly new school, maybe they still do not have the required licence to hire foreigners. |
therock, my school is licensed to hire FTs and there are a couple of others, too. They started hiring only a year ago & are not accustomed to the sharks in their field yet.
To the rest, a couple of calls to the local PSB & Labour Dept drew similar replies - "We need the release letter from the last employer." I have managed to convince the helpful Office Administrator here to accompany me to the Labour Dept to explain our case in person. Will be able to do so only next week (not finalised yet).
We'll be going armed with the old contract that has the expiry date on it, copy of the work permit with old employers name in it, medical check documents and a copy of the e-mail from my old employer stating that they will not give me the release letter. In fact, they owe me the deposit on my old flat, too, but with them not returning my calls or e-mails, I have pretty much kissed that 2K "Goodbye". |
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tw
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| Louras wrote: |
| We'll be going armed with the old contract that has the expiry date on it, copy of the work permit with old employers name in it, medical check documents and a copy of the e-mail from my old employer stating that they will not give me the release letter. |
I think you have a very, very strong case with the two important documents (the old contract and copy of the FEC). The authorities should be able to help you (and they SHOULD help you). Good luck and keep us posted. |
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