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justme
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Here's another one: Is it an x-mas tree or a x-mas tree?
I got one. It's alive, living in a pot. It's very cute, a bit sad and not unlike Charlie Brown's. |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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Your question seemed to imply that you were intending on making Turkey a long term base (and teaching English a long term move)  ... but that does not necessarily mean that you will want to work there your whole time ... there are many mixed (Turkish + other nationality) couples working in the Gulf, for example, where an MA is required for the well paying jobs; couples whose permanent base is Turkey, where the savings collected in their stint go a long way ... and afford one the chance of a much earlier retirement from the classroom  than the $1,000 a month jobs in Istanbul ever will ...
It may be a long way off for many  , but some couples also come out to the Gulf to benefit from the free private schooling for kids ...
If you choose an online course, an accredited distance-learning one with a decent reputation is more useful to you outside Turkey ... as for costs, I don't know why the earlier poster paid $30,000 ... there are many reputable courses out there from around (US) $5,000 ... some not even requiring a dissertation ... thus reducing the length of the course  ...
Four yellow men too many ... out |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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yeah, yeah, I know ... preview before you cue
"and afford THEM the chance of a much earlier retirement from the classroom than the $1,000 a month jobs in Istanbul ever WOULD ... " |
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justme
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The $30,000 is the total debt of all my schooling-- 2 BAs and 1 MA.
My MA required a dissertation. It cost $10,000/term for 3 terms, and I got academic scholarships for half of that. I went to one of the best schools in the US for MATESOL, with professors who are top in the field. I don't feel a cent of it was wasted. It all depends what you're looking for, I suppose.... |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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But if you want a MA to get a better job here, I'd say it's not worth the $30,000 debt I'm paying off.
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My mistake, I thought that as you were advising someone on the pro's and con's of getting a masters, the figure quoted would apply to a masters only ...
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| It all depends what you're looking for, I suppose.... |
I've heard that the Aston MSc, which totals around $7,000 and also requires a dissertation (as do many if not most), also boasts a top class team including some of the bigger names in the TESOL game, such as Jane Willis ... and there are other courses around with very good reputations that come in well under that figure ...
... Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for a minute though that your course with its top professors is anything but the best ... |
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Gordon
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| Sheikh Inal Ovar wrote: |
If you choose an online course, an accredited distance-learning one with a decent reputation is more useful to you outside Turkey ... as for costs, I don't know why the earlier poster paid $30,000 ... there are many reputable courses out there from around (US) $5,000 ... some not even requiring a dissertation ... thus reducing the length of the course ...
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Can you tell me how many reputable schools have a masters for under $5,000 US? I know of only one and it didn't seem that reputable to me. |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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I mentioned masters courses FROM around $5,000 ... as I understand it, there are some Australian courses operating from this fee level ...
as for courses under $5,000, I have no idea ... |
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justme
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But if you want a MA to get a better job here, I'd say it's not worth the $30,000 debt I'm paying off.
My mistake, I thought that as you were advising someone on the pro's and con's of getting a masters, the figure quoted would apply to a masters only ...
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I guess in my mind The Debt is simply The Debt. I don't often consider the specifics. I will strive for absolute accuracy in the future.
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| ... Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for a minute though that your course with its top professors is anything but the best ... |
Okay, good. I wasn't worried about that. |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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| justme wrote: |
I guess in my mind The Debt is simply The Debt. I don't often consider the specifics. I will strive for absolute accuracy in the future.
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While I have no great desire to pursue Justme, I'm afraid I can't let pass answers that don't address the question. Answers that might be good enough to throw a class of non-native speakers of English off the scent, simply don't cut the mustard ...
In addition to the question of (absolute) accuracy, and I think most people would agree that the difference between $30,000 and $10,000 (or $5,000) is one for which approximation let alone accuracy (and absolute accuracy) would suffice, the issue also seems to be partly one of relevance ... i.e. the relevant costs of doing a masters ...
It is not a question of getting numbers to be as accurate as is measurably possible ... |
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justme
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What was the question? |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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What was the question? |
Ummm ... could that be 'question' used as a general noun synonymous with 'issue' / 'topic' / 'problem' ... ?
Did your Text & Discourse Analysis module not include the SPRE pattern of rhetoric and the vocabulary that accompanies it ? You might want to ask for some money back  |
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justme
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| ...okay.... |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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| Right then .... where did I leave my camel ... |
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justme
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| Last night I ate mashed potatoes with cheese for dinner. |
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ghost
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject: M.A. for free |
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You can get paid to do your M.A. in many places in North America.
Ghost, for example, obtained an M.A. in Communication Studies (with a focus on 'Intercultural Communication') from the Penn. State University of Pennsylvania, U.S.A. and did not pay a cent. Ghost studied for the M.A. (duration 1.5 years) as a 'Graduate Research Assistant' - was paid by the Department (marking student essays etc..) and giving a few lectures.
There are plenty of these things on offer.
Why pay when you can do it this way?
Ghost in Taichung, Taiwan |
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