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Sarcasm: The Final Frontier
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the things some 2 year olds will say...

It's not what they say, so much as the keys they hit...
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guest of Japan



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lynn wrote:
Sarcasm is not a form of humor in Japan. My very sarcastic American friend said to a Japanese person when coming in from a windy rainy day, "今日はいい天気ですね。� He just looked at her like she was nuts. And I said to her, "of course he did. You just said, "What a beautiful day!" that doesn't make any sense to say on a miserable day in Japanese." She then thought I was nuts.

I personally think I fit in well in Japan because I am not a sarcastic person.

I do like British tv shows like, "Absolutely Fabulous" and "Coronation Street". I suppose "Coronation" is more of a drama, though.


For those of you who have no idea what the little symbols Lynn wrote say. It's "ii tenki desu ne?" "Fine weather isn't it?"

I've used this expression sarcastically countless times and it usually goes over quite well. Sarcasm tends to fail miserably in Japan once it moves beyond the obvious.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guest of Japan wrote:
Sarcasm tends to fail miserably in Japan once it moves beyond the obvious.


Ain't that the truth.
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Tracye



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: You may already have thought of this, but... Reply with quote

I'd teach the etymology if students were having a hard time grasping the concept. I got this from etymonline.com.

sarcasm:

1579, from L.L. sarcasmos, from Gk. sarkasmos "a sneer, jest, taunt, mockery," from sarkazein "to speak bitterly, sneer," lit. "to strip off the flesh," from sarx (gen. sarkos) "flesh," prop. "piece of meat," from PIE base *twerk- "to cut" (cf. Avestan thwares "to cut"). Sarcastic is from 1695. For nuances of usage, see humor.

When I learned that the original meaning of sarcasm was "to strip off the flesh," it really deepened my understanding of the word. Granted, I was a native English speaker who was already familiar with the way sarcasm is used when I learned this (as an undergraduate), but I think it could be useful to anyone. I am not a big fan of sarcasm, myself (because I think it often is used to "strip off the flesh," or cut others down), and can understand why people in some cultures have a problem with it. Nonetheless, it is important that anyone wishing to converse with English-speakers understand that sometimes, obviously untrue statements, especially when made with a mocking tone, are meant to be sarcastic.
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